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well at least the cycle has stopped
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So fascism has been defeated?
Wow real time moving the goalposts!
There is no moving the goal post, I asked a simple question, since the premise was the same in 2020, "vote Biden to defeat the rise of fascism", I'm asking how effective that was. Did it work? Was the rise of fascism stopped? Altered? Slowed down?
Yes? It was slowed down by a full presidential term
That's not really anything to brag about when we are now in worse shape than before.
Hey, the Earth won't last forever. Eventually all life will end. So maybe we should just let it all end asap. Keeping it going is nothing to brag about since we'll lose in the end anyway. Is that right?
Or maybe we should make the best of the time we have. Maybe we should push back against fascism and corruption and destruction, even if our victories don't last forever. What do you think? Is it worth defeating a fascist leader once even if fascism can still eventually return, or is it all just a waste of effort and we should just roll over and die?
But you didn't defeat the fascist leader. He's in power now. And a lot of people told you this would happen if you kept the same strategy. Yet you insisted it was the right one.
You're saying that people me stuff and that I insisted on whoever... who exactly do you think I am? I haven't insisted on anything like what you're talking about.
In any case, I think you'll find that in the previous election the fascist leader did in fact lose. That does count as a defeat for them, doesn't it?
It had been stalled. If we were able to stall long enough for Trump to kick the bucket, I would have called that a win
It was stalled, but then Biden and the rest of the Democrats squandered that opportunity to actually solve the problem. Instead, they delusionally chained themselves to behavioral norms that were dead and gone and kept trying to prop up the neoliberal status quo, while doing pretty much nothing effective to fix the working class' problems (i.e. the disaffection that led to the fascist demagogue's success in the first place).
I guess it’s gonna have to get worse before it gets better
Careful now, you'll get downvotes in this thread if you don't focus exclusively on blaming the voters for it getting worse. Admitting that it might get better afterwards is like admitting that the Democrats might be somewhat responsibile for their electoral failures.
It hasn't been stalled considering it got an even bigger win this time. It grew! That's even worst. But stalled isn't good either. Destroyed is what you're looking for, and you ain't going to get it from the makers of the material conditions that enable fascism to arise.
It didn't grow though. Trump got fewer votes this time than he did in 2020.
When people do not feel safety and security, they will first reach for scapegoats. When that doesn’t work, they will reach for a gun.
There are a lot of people hurting in this country, obviously a whole lot more than I thought. So the people have found their scapegoats this cycle, now we wait and see if it satisfies them.
Killing a people isn't killing an ideology. That said, as far as I'm concerned these animals (trump supporters) aren't even human, let alone entitled to rights. The only reason I'd ever advocate for their best interest is when it's in the best interest of actual people caught up in their horrid little towns and villages (it's me, I'm caught up in one of these horrid little places. It's bad.)
I meant more that it had been stalled in 2020
Yes that's what I said. It hasn't been stalled in 2020, it got worse since.