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[-] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 21 points 11 hours ago

Clean foods is also a good thing

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 46 points 10 hours ago

My concern is that his definition of clean food is incompatible with a sane definition of clean food.

We're talking about a man who got mercury poisoning from eating unsafe fish, and ate meat that caused a worm to eat part of his brain. His standards for food safety are clearly not the same as mine.

If he were to assert that pasteurizing milk causes nearsightedness and lazy eye, I wouldn't not be surprised.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 12 points 11 hours ago

Right, but we already have that so I left it off the list. Not that there aren't things that slip through, but that's mostly a matter of enforcement and ensuring compliance (both things I do not expect him to take seriously).

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 27 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

We don't really. The EU refuses to import things like US chicken because of our food processes.

EU food standards are leagues past ours, but the core reason is regulating some of our worst factory farm processes. More regulation will absolutely not happen for 4 years, so no real progress will be made.

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 hours ago

That "worst factory farm process" is cleaning chicken with cleaning agents generally regarded as safe.

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R40199.pdf

The EU food safety agencies have issued opinions that it's fine, and the EU would resume importing US poultry if it weren't for that. The same agents are allowed to be used on other imported and domestically produced foods.
The conditions in our typical poultry facility are perfectly in line with theirs, we just allow an additional rinse that they don't.

Our food supply is nowhere near as gross as people seem convinced.
The biggest threat to the cleanliness of our food supply is actually people like RFK who view the food safety apparatus as the enemy.

I really don't see the incoming administration blocking washing poultry with vinegar or a dilute bleach solution and compensating with increased staffing for food inspection agents. More likely they approve requests by the meat industry to be able to do their own inspection and reduce independent verification in the name of "efficiency".

[-] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 2 points 6 hours ago

GRAS can be self-affirmed by companies. It's a huge loophole.

Also, the conditions chickens are raised and slaughtered in the US as well as its dependence on undocumented workers that will not jeopardize their jobs by reporting safety issues or contamination hazards are also really large problems.

Our food supply has issues I would consider pretty gross and it's going to get a whole lot worse over the next few years.

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago

In the case of the food cleaning sprays, I didn't use "generally regarded as safe" in the sense they use it for food additives, I meant it in the plain English sense. The list of acceptable sprays is codified by the FDA and both the US and EU food safety organizations acknowledge that the risk of public health because of them is negligibly low. That's why the EU also uses the same sprays, just not for poultry specifically. Our standards are otherwise completely compatible .

I'm not saying there aren't gross things in our food system, or things we allow that others don't. I'm saying the poultry thing isn't one of them, and the reputation our food system has as a disgusting free for all is unwarranted.