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If anyone asks how the Germans could elect a wannabe autocrat populist and how many people could ignore clear signs of genocide going on.
Now you know.
Edit
A lot of people commenting about either my observation not being astute enough, or misinterpreting history in one way or another.
My observation is solely about and how these things happen it's not very conspirational nor institutional, just weaponized anxiety, populism, polarity and apathy.
The particular brand of ideology, or the identity of the perpetrator does very little for the equation. People being selfish and wilfully ignorant as long as they are pandered to.
We've been watching fascists pile into legislatures from Russia to the UK for decades. It's cute to make everything about Hitler, but this isn't an event unique to '33.
You can find historical parallels in the collapse of Yugoslavia and the Irish Troubles, Modi's rise in India and the Nixon/Reagan reaction to the US civil rights movement, the military coups in Guatemala and El Salvador, the dictatorships of South Korea and South Vietnam...
There's deeper historical roots to Trumpism than just "America made another oopsie cause we're dumb-dumbs"
Sure yeah.
The point here is that Hitler is cleraly the most famous crazy dictator. And now, almost 100 years later, it's looking like this Trump fellow is going to be remember quite a lot as well. I don't know about you, but I'm generally slightly afraid, and I'm not even American.
He's the Big Historical National Enemy. The one that we famously ground into humiliating defeat.
Trump didn't pattern his campaign after Hitler. He patterned it after Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan.
Oh his campaign was more like former American presidents, instead of one of a German Chancellor from the 1930's? Huh. This day is full of surprises.
His presidency was more like these prior administrations as well.
Trump is not a unique aberration in American politics. He's a continuation of a historical trend.
I don't know man, I fail to recall anyone else being as spectaculary unpredictable and insane, who's made objective truth a concept of the past.
Trump vs Truth
He's just completely fucking insane, genuinely. His speech is weird gibberish and he can't finish a single fucking thought.
You must have a good reason for having such a high criteria for what constitutes "an aberration".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory
Literally Nixonian foreign policy to behave unpredictable and insane.
Bruh.
Emphasis on "tried to make them think that... "
This man isn't pretending to be insane. Nixon, while a total crook, still had the ability to speak coherently.
An iPhone would be a more coherent president.
Fuck that fud, Trump isn't pretending to be insane. He is.
If you want an example of a politician pretending to be stupid as a genuine political tactic, look at Boris Johnson.
but hitler is provocative, it gets people going
That's why you can have a Democrat running around hand in hand with Liz Cheney while the corporate media cheers.
Hitler is easy to fixate on as a bad guy because he's an evil dead foreigner. Cheney is harder
Well, they quite literally could have prevented Hitler's rise to power, but Stalin decided it was more beneficial to the USSR for the Communists to support the Nazis against the Liberals. Why? Hmmmm... Guess we'll never know?
By all voting for Hindeburg, the guy who ordered the police to assassinate Rosa Luxembourg?
Hindenburg thought it was more beneficial for the Conservatives to support the Nazis.
Stalin was the Boogeyman Hindenburg used to justify a fascist government. Purging the Nazis in 1933 was as important to him as it was in 1919.
Twice, Hindenburg sided with fascists to demolish any kind of civil socialist reform in his country. Twice "evil Russians" got the blame for a domestic slaughter.
The communists literally sided with the fascists to also prevent any kind of socialist/social-democratic/"liberal" reform in the country.
The fascists were barely sided with themselves, given all the backstabbing. It took the conservative party to elevate the Nazis to the Chancellorship.
Yes, but the communists STILL sided with the fascists against the socialists/socdems.
The SDP purged its ranks of Communists to appease Hindenburg's State Police. You can't side with a party that's trying to rat you out to the cops and get you killed.
Which, again, brings us to the conservatives who held power by playing sides off each other until they misplayed their hands.
The path to fascism was paved back in 1919, when the original Communists were rounded up and executed by the conservatives.
Again, the Communists could have chosen NOT to side with the Fascists, but they did anyway.
Why do you keep deflecting blame from the Weimer president and head of the military police? I almost question whether you have a problem with the Fascists at all.
You can get away with anything when 99% of the voters don't actually care about the quality of the people we elect, and that's the US.
No, we don't know. It makes less sense than it ever did seeing it play out in real time.
Culture of obedience within a society coupled with lack of critical thinking.
Also, genocide is good when the Israeli Jew does it!
Don't be an anti Semite 🤡
First of all, fuck Israel, it’s a disgusting, genocidal, colonialist state. But with that said, unironically, your message comes across as quite anti-semitic, because you went to some deliberate effort to write “Israeli Jew”. Why? There are loads of jews in Israel who are our allies in opposing the Israeli state’s genocide.
Israel is genocidal and is itself anti-semitic. Conflating Israel with judaism is anti-semitic, and more than anyone else, we should all know better than to do this right-wing dog whistle shit.
Turning up the controversy to 11: there is a double standard in people blaming other religions for everything but not allowing criticism of Judaism. Even on Lemmy people will gladly insult Islam and Christianity but criticism of Judaism is a taboo.
This is a good recent video pointing out how far the double standard goes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taIyXzFx2oo
I do agree that there is no real benefit to using the term Judaism for Israel. Zionism has created their own subsect which is a nation-state movement rather than a religion.
That’s interesting, I wonder if there’s some historical precedent that may make people slightly more concerned about anti-semitism rather than anti-christian sentiment.
Fuck all religions, criticise Judaism all you want. But if you start talking about jews (or Christians or Muslims) as if they’re some sort of monolithic group, you’re being an asshole.
Edit: Holy shit, I watched the first 10 seconds of that video and the guest said “Jewish supremacy is the biggest threat to the world today”, which is one of the most overt, outrageously anti-semitic statements I’ve heard in the 21st century. Whoever that guy is, he should not be allowed on TV or YouTube, holy fuck.
Okay now continue watching the rest of the video and do keep that outrage you had about Judaism in the back of your mind.
See if you have that same outrage when guests on Piers say similar things about other religions as the presenter shows examples of.
There’s no way I’m watching any more of that absolutely disgusting bile. I hate Piers Morgan, he’s a horrible, racist, piece of shit. I’m just as outraged about people being islamophobic. People being islamophobic doesn’t mean that we should accept anti-semitism, what kind of backwards argument is this?
It is not the Piers podcast, this is a person covering the Piers' podcast engaging in the same level of Islamophobia as Dan Bilzerian engages in Antisemitism.
Most mainstream media engages in the same level of Islamophobia as what Dan does for antisemitism. People are just so accustomed to it they do not notice how brainwashed they have become into accepting it.
Only when the word Muslim is replaced with Jew everyone suddenly loses their mind.
If it makes you feel any better, I do see your point. And now discussing this further requires nuance, and arguing either side will get you labeled anti-semetic or pro-exclusionism. The nuance will be lost and the label applied. You indeed turned the controversy to 11. Well done.
My only statement is that there's clearly a power imbalance going on. Shining light on that isn't a bad thing.
Yes, genocide only happened to the jews, no other group has ever suffered either...
The entire WW2 history is not being used to excuse genocide conducted by Israeli jews.
People are dying but you are buthurt because criminals being named lol
Yeah i never get this clown responses when i shit on islam and catholic church being pedophiles... but god forbid country of war criminals get closed for what they are.
Are we supposed to ignore that that this genocide is ethnic/religious flavour to it?
genocide is being perpetrated by Israeli jews and israeli propaganda network comes down to any criticism of genocide as antisemitism.
i am mocking this clown set up...
wtf is u talking about again?
Why can’t you just say “genocide is being perpetuated by Israel”, why do you have to make it about jews?
because that is a more specific factually correct description of who is committing the genocide.
i doubt Israeli Arabs or muslims are doing much of anything to help here but who who bootlickers are everywhere. but all of the top brass are israeli jews, people in IDF are israeli jews gloating on social media about it. are these people are above being criticized? There is a huge religious/ethnic angle to this whole crime.
totally false, it is the state itself that is conducting the genocide. this is like saying that americans are responsible for the genocide because they voted for trump or harris
A disgusting apologist spotted...
German's dindu nuffin, mate 🤡
There is no state without people nor is there the IDF.
Without having support from the core population and bunch of willing participants in IDF, this would not be happening. Israeli jews support this with enough force for the state to be able to execute it.
Also, yeah US is about as guilt in here too since Israel will never be able to do this without US political cover and logistical/materiel support.
US jews along fundamentalist Christians are pushing this genocide too...
Well, aren't they? If a whole populace democratically votes for genocidal maniacs, isn't that at least a little bit their fault? If Americans really didn't want a genocidal leader, surely they wouldn't go out of their way to vote one in?
No, not really, because the US elections aren’t free. More americans didn’t vote for them than did vote for them. So by your own metric, they didn’t go out of their way to vote for genocide
US elections are free.
They are however not compulsory and the majority decided to stay home.
Now we get to enjoy the freedom that abstaining from voting provides.
If they’re free, why did you vote for a candidate who supports genocide?
Does Elmo support genocide?
It's a self-identified religious apartheid state. You say it for the same reason you'd talk about Irish Catholics versus Irish Protestants, or Hinduvistas, or Radical Islamic Terrorists.
The Arabs aren't the ones bombing Gaza, blockading the ports to induce a famine, and systematically raping captives.
your intention with using Jew as a slur was...anti-Semitic.....
Do better next time.
no
Older Americans remember an old Israel, struggling to just get by.
Younger Americans... largely don't know anything about it. They know it's some country in the Middle East, but have no idea what's going on in gaza. TBH I did not growing up. It's not taught in school, it's not common knowledge unless your origins/family are from the region.