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[-] WatDabney@fedia.io 102 points 1 week ago

America - the land of "people should be punished for voting the 'wrong' way."

It's amazing that all it took was a few months of Trump in office for Republicans to stop even bothering to pretend to be anything other than overtly and explicitly anti-American - to out themselves as deliberate and even enthusiastic enemies of every single thing that ever made America great..

[-] azimir@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago

Conservatism is, at its root, monarchist. The original writers and thinkers were focused on preserving authoritarian rule, then upon how to build and maintain hierarchies of society where people rule over others.

They've never been interested in democratic ideals unless it suits them to reinstate a dictatorship.

[-] Photuris@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It must be such a radically different mindset to live in. Like, I can’t imagine ever feeling enthusiastic about enforced hierarchies and monarchy.

Social mobility feels the most liberating, and social constraints the most confining. How can anyone feel differently? I genuinely do not understand.

Weren’t we supposed to be in suppprt of free markets? Aren’t those supposed to empower people to make deals with other people on their own terms, create value, compete, and prosper? Enforced hierarchy and oligarchy feels like not at all that.

It must be control-freakery which, again, I cannot relate to at all.

[-] azimir@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

The early conservative thinkers wrote about the French Revolutions and the rise of egalitarian thinking meant that something must take the place of monarchies to decide the social order. They preferred war as the measure of who should be the leaders, but that money and wealth could be a substitute. This led to Capitalist concepts infesting the right wing since monarchies are off the table.

Innuendo Studios has some great videos summarizing the alt right, conservatism, and Christian nationalism if you're interested:

https://youtu.be/E4CI2vk3ugk

Regarding the mindset issue, it might be more baked into people than we'd like. Two great books on the topic are:

The Authoritarians by Altimeter

The Righteous Mind by Haidt

They also have videos summarizing the works in presentations and interviews. It seems that people end up having shadings of authoritarian drives, which means they're happier living under someone's commands and will work to preserve hierarchies despite the harm it causes others. Whether it is socialization or biological I don't know.

To sum up: some people want to be ruled and they're currently tearing the US down to let a king rule over the rubble.

[-] Photuris@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

I hate everything about this. Because it’s probably spot on.

So, what is to be done about authoritarians?

What are those of us who simply want to live free and be left alone (and leave others alone, if they’d only tend to their own business) to do?

Maybe the answer really is guillotines idk. The paradox of protecting liberalism with illiberal means and all that.

[-] makeshiftreaper@lemmy.world 101 points 1 week ago

Hey quick question: how do you know who I voted for?

[-] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

Doesn't matter, they'll just go by electoral votes or something

[-] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Remember DOGE? Remember all of the databases they got access to without any actual clearance? It’s probably somewhere there. Especially if Trump’s allusion to the voting machines being provoked in his favor by his pet Muskrat are true.

[-] GuyFawkes@midwest.social 33 points 1 week ago

I’d like to exclude Trump voters from all future elections. They’re clearly too stupid to handle the responsibility.

[-] atticus88th@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Unfortunately they were smart enough to go vote.

[-] LuxSpark@lemmy.cafe 13 points 1 week ago

Smart? Probably not, but motivated by fear, hatred, and ignorance? Most definitely. Of course, if the specter of a second term didn’t motivate you to vote, then that is not too smart either.

[-] Pappabosley@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

So they're taking the money from the American people and then "generously" giving them back a portion of it and they say only to people who might financially need it. Almost like they're taxing people and redistributing income to those in need. If it wasn't for the hefty piece they're taking off the top and the blatant buying of votes, it almost sounds like Socialism!!

[-] blarth@thelemmy.club 25 points 1 week ago

Oh no not $600 whatever will I do without reaping the paltry benefits of our environment, due process, democracy, national parks, worldwide alliances, hope for any future other than an oligarchic dystopia, and soon, I’m sure, my ability to ever retire being destroyed by an orange rapist? Gee, that $600 sure would make all that feel way better!

[-] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

That can almost cover a grocery trip for a large family. Better sell democracy for it

[-] NotAnotherLemmyUser@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

After reading through the article, this is a misleading title. It sounds like he's trying to say that Biden voters are all wealthy people that wouldn't need this:

Well, you wouldn’t give it to everybody, you’d give it to the working people,” the Missouri Republican told far-right podcaster and former Trump adviser Steve Bannon on Tuesday. “You’d give it to our people.”

“I mean, you know, the rich people don’t need it … what I mean by that is all those Democrat donors of Wall Street, all these hedge fund guys, who all hate the tariffs, by the way."

[-] tomenzgg@midwest.social 1 points 1 week ago

Gotta love clarification that makes a position more reasonable inside the clown-world fantasy the individual lives in but, in turn, also reveals just how more exaggeratingly stupid they actually are.

[-] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

That sounds awful socialist to me.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

I like how he supports UBI.

[-] Maiq@lemy.lol 12 points 1 week ago

It's cool. I don't need to be bribed to vote.

Also don't need a placebo incentive to make fucking over our partners and allies seem ok.

All this ignores the fact that everything has gotten more expensive under this chucklefuck kiddy rapist 'n chief that 600$ ain't gonna do fuck all but piss me off even more!

[-] fartographer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Now that's how you do a cognitive dissonance!

Also, Sen. Josh Hawley should be excluded from terrestrial oxygen.

[-] venusaur@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I wasn’t aware all Biden voters were rich.

$600/person will go by so quickly with even more inflated prices of goods.

Unless it’s UBI, we don’t need checks. We need higher wages and lower costs of living.

[-] normalexit@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

He wants to exclude Biden voters from the $600 Trump tariff rebate checks?! The ones Trump got for us?

The same Trump that was best friends with Jeffery Epstein up until his suspicious suicide? You know, that known pedophile that Trump said "liked them young?" Remember when Trump wrote him a weird birthday card? That was odd for a president to do that. Trump did say he liked to grab women by the pussy. That was weird too.

Wait what were we talking about again? Oh yeah the $600 "sorry we dismantled your somewhat functioning government" check I probably won't get. Cool.

[-] obviouspornalt@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 1 week ago

You mean best friends until Epstein 'stole' one of the minors working in the spa of his golf club?

[-] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

He really is resorting to his lamest trick which was the Covid checks. I bet you anything he’s going to sign them like last time.

[-] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

he has to sign them by hand or they dont count! no stamps or autopens either!

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There are so many things wrong with every single Hawley quote in this article, it’s like he’s pioneering a new subgenre of intellectual failure. He’s not just wrong on the facts, or the descriptions, or the correlations; he’s blending all of it into a dense, swirling vortex of confident nonsense, that’s somehow more structurally unsound than the sum of its parts. And I’m about 78% sure he knows exactly what he’s doing. I just can’t decide whether that’s impressive, or evidence of some latent morlockian genetic ability to produce lies so elaborate and self-assured, that they short-circuit your instinct to question them.

[-] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

To be honest, I'm just looking forward to the massive tax savings and ridiculously lowered tax bill I'm one billion percent sure is going to materialize in 2026 from all the DOGE savings we've attained. Totally holding my breath on that one. Do cremated remains even pay taxes? Who the fuck am I kidding, this is the USA, of course they do.

[-] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

How about you and I team up and throw a party, the size of which directly scales with the savings we experience this year? Of course, any tax savings must first be offset by cost of living increases. Can one throw a party of negative size?

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

Can one throw a party of negative size?

That's called a revolution.

[-] Gustephan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I think thats just called crying alone in your room

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 week ago

Well, that certainly seems fair. After all, even though I'm a Leftist and I detest the majority of Dems, I still voted for Kamala against Trump and that makes me a traitor.

[-] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

How? Your vote is supposed to be anonymous. Unless he just means registered democrats

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

The foxes are guarding the hen house.

[-] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Jokes on him. I'm registered republican.

[-] Schmuppes@lemmy.today 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

European here, how does that "register with a party" thing work?

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

The difference is usually (but not in all states) which party’s primary you can vote in.

I’m registered Democrat which means I can vote to select which candidates the Democratic Party is sponsoring

[-] VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 week ago

This headline is a bit alarmist.

“I mean, you know, the rich people don’t need it … what I mean by that is all those Democrat donors of Wall Street, all these hedge fund guys, who all hate the tariffs, by the way.”

So he is basically just implying everyone who is poor voted Trump, and everyone rich voted Biden. It's basically a neutered version of class consciousness with a tribal mindset. Which is exactly the type of class consciousness I would expect Hawley to want his constituents to have. He's still being disingenuous, but he's not (as of right now) suggesting that we keep voter records to punish people for wrongthink.

[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Meanwhile, Trump Admin requested the voter records for San Francisco county. Now I wonder why he would want that? 🤔

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 0 points 1 week ago

oh boy, 600 whole dollars. Woohoo. That'll cover like 3 months of price increases due to the tariffs.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Doesn’t that cover healthcare for the millions of people losing Medicaid and ACA plans?

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 points 1 week ago

It covers 45 seconds of healthcare for them.

[-] Pacattack57@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

That’s 3 weeks of groceries for my family. Might finally get to buy a steak for dinner.

[-] AlexLost@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

I love that there are two parties, one that represents all of America, and one that represents half of America, and the half side keeps getting elected? Do you want ants, America? Because that's how you get ants

[-] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

I love that you think either one of them represents all of America.

[-] AlexLost@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

You are right, neither of them do. At least one isn't trying to cut the throats of half the country though. Nice rebuttal! One is willing to put aside differences and find middle ground, the other wants to throw anyone who disagrees in a deep dark prison so they never see the light of day. Totally both sides though, ammirite?

[-] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You are right, neither of them do.

Duh.

Nice rebuttal

It wasn't meant to be a rebuttal, it was meant to be a mildly condescending statement of an obvious truth

Totally both sides though

What if I told you that two things can suck, at the same time, even if they're not exactly identical? If your choices are losing a toe or losing a leg, of course most folks would choose the toe. They'd have to be real douchebags to cheerlead for the people who cut their toe off though.

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