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submitted 3 weeks ago by dessalines@lemmy.ml to c/usa@lemmy.ml

Much credit to this post.

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[-] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago

excellent post 🫡

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

how many felonies did she commit?

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago

Its not illegal to disproportionately imprison black people for minor drug offenses in the USA, just like slavery was and remains very legal there.

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Well worth it to actually click through and read some of the specific articles on topics of interest. The descriptions are not all accurate.

[-] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 10 points 3 weeks ago

LMAO at the amount of "her entire career has been about building and filling internment camps, but at least she doesn't have the popular support for a soft coup!" in this thread.

[-] Mambert@beehaw.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

A federal prosecutor has always dedicated her career to building "internment camps" but a literal coup that led to several deaths was "soft"?

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

I can't tell which you're trying to do, apologize for maga chuds or kamala's abuse of black people and immigrants.

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[-] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 5 points 2 weeks ago

Several deaths:

six people died: one was shot by Capitol Police, another died of a drug overdose, three died of natural causes, and a police officer died after being assaulted by rioters.

I'll admit it may technically be a mischaracterization, but I don't think you understand the level of violence that is typical of "hard" coups.

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[-] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 10 points 3 weeks ago
[-] nick@midwest.social 8 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, she sucks in her own ways. But she’s not a fascist.

[-] BRINGit34@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 3 weeks ago

She is tho. Committing genocide is fascism

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 weeks ago

A nationalist "tough on crime" anti-socialist with a deep appreciation for cops-for-capitalism pining for a return to "glory days" for a subset of residents while scapegoating others via racist and xenophobic policies? While pushing a genocide? Whose supporters can't even name the parts of her platform that appeal to them, instead trying to build a cult of personality and identify through who they reject?

To the extent anyone is fascist any longer she's right up there. But she uses rhetoric that is normalized for liberals and flies under the radar because the oppression she supports is sanitized and "politely" obfuscated.

[-] Hestia@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago

Oh? I don't remember having the option of voting for her in the primary.

I wanted Biden. Still voting for him, he's the only one who can beat trump.

[-] Kumikommunism@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago

Do you consider Arabs to be inhuman?

If not, care to explain?

If so, I think I found the fascist.

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[-] Mambert@beehaw.org 5 points 3 weeks ago

I don't see "attempted a coup when she lost an election and still denies losing to this day" so my mind is still set.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago

The least you can do is join the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) or Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO). Only through organization outside the electoral system does the Proletariat have any hope of steering the ship and seizing the reigns.

[-] nick@midwest.social 3 points 3 weeks ago

No. The stakes are too high for this bullshit. Better Kamala than an actual literal fascist.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago

You should organize against genocide, not support its perpetrators.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago

The stakes are too high to not organize, voting for the Dems doesn't stop fascism, or even delay it.

MAGA is popular for the same reason other nationalist, fascist movements have risen over the course of modern history: as a response to Capitalist decay. MAGA isn't popular for genetic reasons, intellectual inferiority, or other reasons like that, but as a common class interest. All of the descriptors in the OP are consequences of the driving factor of class interests, not the drivers themselves.

Fascism is most often represented as an alliance between the Petite Bourgeoisie and Bourgeoisie proper, driven by the Petite Bourgeoisie, as monopolization of Capital results in competition becoming more and more difficult, and the Petite Bourgeoisie faces Proletarianization. To prevent the Petite Bourgeoisie from joining the Proletariat in solidarity, the Bourgeoisie proper turns their hatred against the Proletariat and Lumpenproletariat.

What does this all mean, in practical, American terms? Small business owners, landlords, ie the "middle class," is shrinking in power, so the Small Business Owners are aligning with billionaires like Musk and Bezos against immigrants, workers, unhoused peopled, gender/sexual minorities, women, ethnic minorities, and more.

How do we fix this? Grow the Petite Bourgeoisie and restore their position? Absolutely not! That's when fascism is established. Trying to "turn the clock back to the good old days" results in dramatic reductions in worker rights and a solidification of power.

What we need to do is establish Socialism. A victory of the Proletariat, a folding of the large monopolist syndicates into the public sector so they can be centrally planned for the public good, rather than privately planned for profit, is the way forward. This is the way to escape fascism's rise. This is the way to defeat MAGA.

I recommend reading the book Blackshirts and Reds, fascism's irrationality has rational, material origins, that can be understood and defeated, and it isn't in the "marketplace of ideas."

[-] nick@midwest.social 3 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah that’s never happening dude, sorry; this shit’s way too entrenched. Until we start killing lobbyists and billionaires off, ain’t shit changing. Might as well be pushing Jill stein.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

The answer is organizing. Join the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) or Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO). Only through organization outside the electoral system does the Proletariat have any hope of steering the ship and seizing the reigns.

If you do not organize, then you are fine with fascism.

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[-] SoJB@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago
[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

Fascism is caused by systemic political and economic factors- basically when capitalist psuedo democracy runs out of runway and the capitalists choose to preserve capitalism over the concessions of bourgeois democracy.

If you care about democracy you have to join a socialist org and fight for socialism.

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