[-] abc@hexbear.net 3 points 6 days ago

me forgetting how numbers work for a momentit's a bat, it's a fucking bat

very-smart

[-] abc@hexbear.net 23 points 6 days ago

waow i don't even make 4k a month that's cool

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If anyone in office sees this they're gonna ban movies. 4/5

spoilermfw there's only like 2 competent revolutionaries in the entire film mfw the nonbinary comrade snitches wtf did you mean by this PTA mfw at the end of the film they both have cellphones wtf have you learnt nothing

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anging times on me last minute and refusing to provide confirmation prior to the day of the match as to play times, losing this way somehow felt even worse than I had thought possible. My preparation was superior, my play was superior, and I lost, so I don't see a reason to continue engaging in an activity where what is within my control is overwhelmingly outweighed by what is not. I am done with competitive Pokémon, and you won't get a fond farewell. This community is infected to its roots with a degenerative disease that grows stronger over time but stops short of killing its host. Tournaments used to have a competitive spirit at their heart, this has been transplanted and replaced with an artificial organ that feeds on vitriol and mockery from insecure little boys that heckle by the sidelines and tear each other to shreds over scraps of attention. The environment we fostered has trapped us all like this in a vicious cycle, and escaping it requires acceptance of the harshest reality we all scramble to explain away, that none of the countless straining efforts we put ourselves through here will ever amount to one single shining glimmer of significance. I would make this the end, but World Cup is still ongoing, and I would never leave so many great friends out to dry, so I'll suffer through a few more games for them. One last thing before I leave you all to react with disdain, ridicule, and self-righteous fervor, before you do everything in your power to minimize my words and thoughts, box them up and shove them to some cobwebbed corner of your memory, and hope they disappear forever as a stain on your finite time ground to dust. From this moment on, nothing you say matters to me. The foulest insults you hurl with intent to wound will calmly settle at the earth before my feet, and the venom you spit will bring all the pain of a warm summer breeze. You are less than anything you can conceive, while I carry on, brimming with joy distilled from detachment.

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For you, a hermit crab’s lifespan is measured in months. Your kid picks one out at a beach souvenir shop. Its shell is painted to resemble SpongeBob’s freckled face. Dutifully, you buy accessories. To the shoebox-sized tank, you add some sand, a plastic palm tree, a little dish of water with a sponge, and a sprinkling of food pellets.

The crab proves an unsatisfying pet. It barely moves. It curls into its shell when you approach. One day, there is a smell.

Hermit crabs have long been billed as low-maintenance animals, the harried parent’s alternative to a hamster. They were first sold in the U.S. to tourists at a souvenir shop in West Palm Beach, Florida, in 1953, according to Larisa Meeks, a self-described crab advocate (one of many I’d meet over the course of reporting this story). The popularity of the hermit crab as a pet soared in the 1970s, when one company branded them “Crazy Crabs” and told buyers they would eat anything: pizza, cookies, cornflakes! “Consider these moving Pet Rocks,” a pitchman said on TV.

On a recent vacation to North Carolina’s Outer Banks, I asked the manager of a beach shop what the crabs needed. “Just food and water. Don’t need to take them for a walk, nothing.” How long do they live? He had heard of one that lasted seven years, but “you never know,” he said. “One year, one week, one month.”

Few people know the truth about the crustacean that briefly resides in their child’s bedroom: that it was meant to live for at least 30 years. That it was taken from the wild. And that it was doomed even before you brought it home.

This quiet tragedy of the dead-before-its-time hermit crab repeats itself over and over every summer. If it’s ever going to stop, crab advocates say, we need to reconsider everything we know about these creatures.

On a bright July weekend, hermit crab enthusiasts descend on the lodge in the Virginia mountains where Dirty Dancing was filmed. They’ve traveled from all over the East Coast and Midwest to attend Crab Con, also known as the International Annual Hermit Crab Convention.

People dance in crab hats and buy custom-embroidered crab jean jackets. Meeks wears a T-shirt that reads “Hermit Crabs and Jesus.” There are lengthy talks on shell selection, crab taxonomy, and veterinary care (though vets who treat crabs are few and far between). Meeks hosts a showcase of crab enclosures.

Most people here share the same story: They casually bought a crab. They learned, too late, what they had done. Then they joined the cause.

In 2003 Stacy Griffith purchased two crabs from a mall pet shop in Illinois. She set up a small tank exactly like the one in the store: “the 10-gallon tank with the gravel, the sponge, the pellets. And one of them died almost immediately. And I was like, ‘Well, that doesn’t seem right.’ ”

Griffith searched online for answers. She found the Hermit Crab Association, a volunteer-operated message board that today has more than 250,000 posts. She also found the Crab Street Journal, a site that got its start as a Yahoo Group back in 1999.

These vast archives of crab lore contradicted everything the pet shop had told Griffith. She learned that hermit crabs’ special needs and extraordinary longevity make them pets akin to a Sulcata tortoise or a parrot. (One, named Jonathan Livingston Crab, lived for 45 years after his keeper, Carol Ann Ormes, bought him in Ocean City, Maryland, in 1976.) Years after her first crab’s untimely death, Griffith, now president of the Land Hermit Crab Owners Society, would go on to write her own book on crab care, which is aimed at “changing the mindset” around the species’ keeping.

Virtually everything we know about the needs of captive hermit crabs has come from the efforts of passionate hobbyists. Formal science is not invested in the inner life of the pet crab the way it is with dogs, or even hamsters. Many studies on hermit crab physiology date to the 1970s and ’80s, notes Noah Goldfarb, a veterinary student in his final year at the Virginia-Maryland College of Veterinary Medicine who has kept crabs since he was a kid. As a result, even veterinarians may rely on the husbandry guidelines developed by the community of serious crab keepers. “That data is the best that people have,” said Goldfarb.

A proper hermit crab habitat—a “crabitat”—is large. A 3-foot-long, 40-gallon tank would be the minimum for four crabs, which are social animals that shouldn’t be kept alone. It should contain moist sand mixed with coconut fiber, at least 6 inches deep so the crabs can bury themselves when they need to molt and regrow their exoskeleton (an arduous and private process). It includes a small pool of fresh, unchlorinated water and another of specially formulated salt water, both deep enough for full submersion. A heater on the side of the tank keeps the temperature stable between 75 and 85 degrees. A high-quality gauge monitors humidity, which should remain between 70 and 80 percent. In essence, you’re creating a tropical coastal forest in a box. Pet stores stock many of the supplies needed to do this—but they also sell teensy enclosures that they claim your crab “will feel perfectly at home in.”

This is not accurate. The temperature and humidity guidelines aren’t merely for crabs’ comfort, Goldfarb clarifies: They “are extremely vital to keeping the crabs alive.” Hermit crabs breathe through modified gills; these gills require high humidity to stay moist, allowing them to absorb oxygen from the air. They’re ectotherms, whose body processes function only at certain temperatures. And crabs need that deep substrate to safely molt, or they risk being eaten by a hungry tankmate.

In the wild, hermit crabs are foragers and scavengers, eating a tropical buffet that might include dead fish, fresh fruit, and even dog droppings, Shawn Miller, a naturalist and photographer on the Ryukyu Islands in Okinawa, Japan, told me. (Miller documents how hermit crabs in the wild are adapting to pollution and habitat loss by living in pieces of plastic instead of regular shells.) Crab pellets sold at pet stores aren’t enough, enthusiasts insist. The Crab Street Journal’s list of recommended foods for captive crabs is startlingly diverse: shrimp, worm castings, moss, acorns, oatmeal, peanut butter, eggshells, flower petals.

Wild hermit crabs are active animals, rummaging through washed-up debris and even climbing trees in their search for food. In captivity, they exercise on angled plastic wheels. Serious crab keepers install a second story to their tank, called a topper, that functions as a playground. They add rope ladders, balconies, plastic plants, even tiny disco balls (crabs love mirrors).

Some people surrender entire rooms to their crabitats, spending thousands of dollars. An outsider might wonder why. What is the allure of hermit crabs?

Many keepers say they just love watching them. A crabitat is kind of like a dollhouse with living inhabitants, each with a distinct personality. The more elaborate the setup, the more active the crabs become, climbing, crawling, and exploring with their endlessly questing antennae.

In the wild, they live in colonies. A group will forage together, with younger crabs following the older ones and even riding on their backs. Sometimes, as has been documented in a BBC series narrated by David Attenborough, they swap shells in a conga line, in which each crab puts on a shell discarded by a larger companion.

They have a pecking order. Bigger crabs defend resources by donkey-kicking smaller ones, sometimes rolling them like a bowling ball, crab keeper Holly Suddeth tells me. But they also sleep peaceably side by side, she says. Another crab keeper, Mary Akers, once witnessed a crab stuck in a tight spot chirping until a friend came to rescue it.

They have opinions about real estate. A hermit crab will inspect a shell with care, running antennae and claws over its contours, before delicately lowering its rear end into the aperture. One researcher found that crabs actually remodel shells, sculpting the interior to make their home lighter and more comfortable. A crabitat should have a variety of shells for the crabs to choose from.

They’re curious. They regard their own reflections, crab keepers say, and there are even anecdotes about crabs who like watching TV. Chip, a crab in Suddeth’s care who’s about 20 years old, will kick out one leg when a human waves to him. Is it a greeting? A challenge? It’s hard to say.

As charming as the crabs can be, many of their keepers are driven by a deeper sense of mission, which Suddeth characterizes as “defiance and righteous rage.”

She lives in Chesapeake, Virginia, close to the resort areas in Virginia Beach and the Outer Banks. There’s a grim local joke that “it’s a rite of passage for children to slowly kill a hermit crab,” Suddeth said. On local moms’ forums, she posts impassioned pleas: Say no when your kid asks for a crab. Every time, she receives pleas in return: Could you take my kid’s crab?

Often, she obliges. Suddeth has rescued more than 100 hermit crabs. Some she keeps. Some she adopts out. Some have been trapped too long in a cold, dry tank. For them, all she can do is provide hospice care.

She tears up when she talks about “these cool little creatures having their whole worlds turned upside down and never being able to go home.”

The SpongeBob crab your kid picked up on vacation is known as a purple pincher (Coenobita clypeatus), a species that’s one of two harvested for the U.S. pet trade. It was collected from a Caribbean coastline and shipped to the U.S. to be sold. (The species is also native to Florida, where it’s illegal to catch them.)

A 2015 investigation by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals documented the practices at one hermit crab supplier in Orlando, Florida, where thousands of crabs were packed into pens. Their protective shells were broken open with a vise so they could be coerced into the painted shells that appeal to kids. (Sometimes, crab rescuers report, the still-damp paint adheres to the crab’s body, rendering it unable to crawl out of that shell. Suddeth recently took in one of these stuck crabs and managed to extricate it after a long soak.)

The president of that supplier, Don Salomon, told the Wilmington StarNews that the crabs were crowded only because he had picked up an extra shipment at the airport that day. He said some crabs’ shells had been cracked for their own safety because they were not positioned correctly in the shell. (Cracking a shell risks injuring the animal and should never be done except in “exceptionally rare” circumstances, Goldfarb says. Crabs will move to another shell on their own if needed.)

“If we were killing animals, we’d never be making any money,” Salomon told the Daily Mail Online in coverage of PETA’s investigation. After the video’s release, PetSmart stopped doing business with the supplier, the Mail reported.

Whether these practices are typical is hard to say. What care protocols do other hermit crab dealers follow? I contacted three wholesalers to ask but got no response. How many hermit crabs are collected? No industrywide statistics exist. In 2000 the New York Times reported that one of the leading wholesalers, Shell Shanty, sold more than 1 million a year. Paul Manger, the owner of another large wholesaler, Florida Marine Research, told a pet industry magazine in 2017 that his company carried about 300,000 crabs for retail distribution.

Crabs kept in poor conditions before purchase may still succumb to disease, stress, or injury even if their buyer provides ideal conditions, Goldfarb says. “The phenomenon often referred to as ‘post-purchase death syndrome’ is well documented among hermit crab hobbyists, and at least one scientific paper speculates on potential causes,” he wrote in an email.

Even if treated with care, the hermit crab at that beach shop remains a wild creature that was plucked from its home. If crabs are to be kept as pets, crab advocates say, they should be bred in captivity. It’s exceedingly hard to do that. But one woman may have cracked the code.

Mary Akers never intended to become a hermit crab midwife. She’s a writer, a ceramicist, and a naturalist who once co-founded a marine ecology school in Dominica. When she adopted a single pet-shop crab from a friend’s daughter, Akers approached its care with a scientist’s rigor.

She learned that hermit crabs needed friends, so she purchased some neglected crabs from a local pet store. When she spotted a mysterious mass inside one crab’s shell, she realized that it was a clutch of eggs.

For decades, it was believed that crabs never reproduced in captivity. They just didn’t have the right conditions, Akers explained. Once care standards improved, some crabs began to mate and produce eggs—but these didn’t develop properly. While a few successful experiments had been reported by hobbyists in Australia and Germany, details were scanty.

Reproduction is a delicate, multiphase process. Crabs mate on land. The female carries the fertilized eggs for about 30 days. Then she releases them into the sea, where they hatch almost immediately into tiny, shrimplike creatures called zoae.

When Akers spotted the cloud of zoae in her tank’s saltwater pool, she wondered: What did they need to survive?

No one really knew. Not even American University professor Christopher Tudge, an Australian who’s regarded as the world’s foremost expert on hermit crab reproduction. Tudge selected this specialty precisely because it is so understudied. “I said to myself, What’s a group that no one’s interested in? It was the hermit crabs and their relatives.”

In the wild, hermit crab zoae drift with the currents, feeding on smaller plankton. They molt multiple times, eventually becoming something less shrimpy and more lobsterlike, called a megalopa. They find diminutive shells on the ocean floor. “And then they literally walk out, like you would from a swim onto the beach, and never go back,” Tudge said.

The difficulty with mimicking this process, he said, is that “the ocean is, by nature, chaotic.” It’s turbulent. It’s teeming with life. That’s a rich, complex habitat for a teeny baby crab.

To have a shot at keeping the zoae alive and thriving, Akers said, “I had to re-create the ocean”—in her house in Lockport, New York, 500 miles from the Atlantic.

Using 5-gallon water jugs, Akers fashioned rotating tanks to mimic ocean currents. (Aquarists call these Kreisel tanks.) She fed the zoae live phytoplankton and brine shrimp. She hovered over the tanks, siphoning out the debris that fouled the crabs’ nursery and changing the water multiple times a day. Once the zoae became megalopae, they had to be moved to a flat-bottomed tank, then ushered onto land.

None survived Akers’ first attempt in 2017. The next year, she spotted more zoae, and again tried to keep them alive. This time, the ant-sized crabs donned their tiny shells, walked up a ramp, and began to breathe. She wept.

Two made it through their first molt. Akers’ third try, later that year, resulted in 204 baby hermit crabs. The previous world record for the species was, according to Akers, 24 crabs raised by a German hobbyist.

When Tudge stumbled on Akers’ blog detailing this process, he was astonished. “Oh my God,” he recalled on an episode of Radiolab. “She actually did it.” Akers had not only managed to replicate the natural process—she was achieving survival rates far higher than in the wild. “So she’s actually improving their chances by raising them in captivity,” he said.

Akers now had to find homes for these babies. In 2019 she founded Crab Con to give people the first-ever chance to adopt captive-bred crabs. Those adopters agreed to track their crabs’ growth and share data with her. So far, Akers has raised around 1,500, now living as far away as California, Nevada, Arizona, Florida, Texas, and Utah. They seem to be healthy and well adapted to captivity.

Akers estimates she has spent $50,000 on her efforts over nine years, including the cost of a generator, which can keep the system running during a power outage. She never takes a summer vacation, because each spawn requires around-the-clock care for more than a month. Success is not guaranteed. Since moving to Blacksburg, Virginia, from New York in 2021, she has seen decreased baby survival rates. (Her hypothesis: a brown algae infestation. She’s getting new equipment and trying again.)

In 2022 Akers launched a nonprofit, Hermit House, to share what she’s learned and ship zoae to motivated breeders. She hopes someone will devise a better system, one that doesn’t require the constant hovering and hoovering. But even if they do, it’ll never be cost effective when wild crabs sell for a few bucks each.

Their lives are worth so little to some sellers that beach shops simply throw away unsold crabs at summer’s end. “We’ve had people show us pictures of boxes they’ve taken out of the dumpster,” said Griffith, the Land Hermit Crab Owners Society president.

A few hermit crab species are quite valuable, such as the brightly colored blueberry hermit crabs and viola hermit crabs that live in Okinawa. They’re legally protected as living national monuments, yet are frequently poached and sold for hundreds of dollars by people from other countries. New research shows a troubling trend. Over 10 years, the average annual profit from these crabs has more than doubled. The number of crabs sold online has nearly quadrupled, all while the average size of crabs for sale has steadily decreased.

In the U.S., Akers would like to see all hermit crabs legally reclassified as exotic pets, like an alligator or an ocelot, so their sale and ownership could be regulated. To her, every crab’s life is precious. “You have to make people understand and care,” she said, “and the breeding does that.” Captive-bred babies are adorably tiny, with delicate legs and pinprick eyes.

Akers has begun experimenting with intentional crab breeding. She selects for strong coloration, friendliness, and slower growth, “because people love them small,” she explained. One day, perhaps, she might create a crab that’s incredibly well suited to domestication—the golden retriever of hermit crabs, if you will. But are they meant to live in our homes at all?

Crab Con is winding down Saturday afternoon when I realize: I haven’t yet laid eyes on a hermit crab.

It’s hard to maintain the proper conditions in transit, so they’re not ideal road trip companions. But Suddeth, the Chesapeake rescuer, has brought 13 to place with interested adopters. I ask if I can meet one before I go.

Suddeth holds up Pearl, a crab who has lived in captivity for 12 years. Her legs are rosy orange and dusky purple, punctuated by small bumps. Fine lashes fringe her eyes. She emerges from under the veil of her shell, casting about with slender antennae. She seems curious, and unafraid.

“Why are we doing so wrong by this one animal?” Griffith asks. “Why does nobody care about this one?”

Crab advocates have been trying to reform the retail trade for decades. They’ve asked large pet store chains to update how they care for the crabs in store, with mixed success. At least one chain has agreed to place a lid on the crab enclosures to maintain the humidity they need; another has agreed to stop carrying crabs in painted shells.

PetSmart has a hermit crab care page that advises owners to provide enrichment toys, fresh fruit and vegetables, and a crabitat with carefully maintained humidity levels. But the messaging varies: “Hermit crabs are fun, fascinating little creatures that make great pets for your home or classroom. They are easy and economical to care for,” says the description on another PetSmart page. The recommended experience level: beginner. The recommended tank size: 5 gallons per crab (about 16 inches by 8 inches). The price: $6.29.

At a large Outer Banks beach shop, crabs huddle in a wire cage. Attached to the cage is a laminated sheet from supplier Florida Marine Research that notes that crabs should be kept in a large, temperature-controlled aquarium. “NEVER attempt to remove a crab from its sea shell,” the sheet admonishes. Every crab has a painted shell.

“I really think it’s on us to educate each other,” Griffith said. Crabfluencers have become effective allies. Janie Groeling is a New Jersey “hermit crab mom” whose videos have blown up on TikTok. In one, she makes a charcuterie board for her 10 crabs, complete with peach slices, crickets, and octopus, purchased from a specialty site called Hermit Grub. In another, she takes viewers on a tour of her 80-gallon crabitat—one of two tanks in which her hermit crabs live—which is decked out with a climbing wall, a coconut swing, and a “shell shop” with a variety of options for her pets to choose from.

Maybe we should think of hermit crabs the way we think of dogs: animals needing abundant attention that should be adopted, if possible, or at least obtained through a reputable breeder. If you’re willing to dedicate decades to crab care, you could adopt a few rescues—either locally or through the Land Hermit Crab Owners Society qualified adopter program. Or apply to adopt captive-bred babies from Hermit House.

Or maybe they shouldn’t be pets at all. For all their enthusiasm for crabs, this is the view of many crab advocates. Because even the most wonderful crabitat, Griffith said, “cannot replicate the ocean, and the streams, and the trees, and the sand.”

Please, she said: “Let wild crabs be wild.” Maybe one day the cages in the beach shops will be empty. And on your child’s dresser, no crab will meet its end.

when i enact worldwide communism i will ensure that hermit crabs are given more rights than humans. oysters/clams too armed-crab

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7/10 imo but anyways what the fuck is the track that plays in between

spoilerGustave's death and the rest of the game.

I literally spent like a good hour or two once you unlock swimming just riding around on the world map looking for merchants and whatnot & a song kept playing that I cannot find for the life of me.

spoilerpresumably carrying an arm around with me the entire time

Anyways the track from what I remember is like a funeral dirge/real mournful but isn't Forlorn or any of the other world map tracks on the soundtrack. The only lyric I could remember is the female vocalist singing

spoilerGustave, Gustave

None of the tracks with actual lyrics that mention him are the song I'm talking about (Lumière, Clair-Obscur) so I am starting to think it is maybe just an instrumental track

am i hallucinating a track that doesn't exist (tbf I was very high everytime i played, so possible), did i just mishear the french lyrics of a different song?? please help me gamers

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no i'm not seething right now. yes this will probably get deleted once i've gotten my rage out of my cage. why do men love to go 'yeah come over' and when i do come over tell me 'umm so actually my roommate is watching TV and we have an open door policy so...do you mind if we hang out outside i brought a shitty blanket'.

why was i so down bad upon first sight that i said sure despite everything being wet from the rain. why did we both actually have a good time. why did i tell him to give me a 'huge one' when he tried to give me a hickey. why did he listen. why did HE FUCKING BLOCK ME AHHHHHH.

As a leftist I wouldn't block anyone i had a literal 'we're doing the notebook except we met two days ago and instead of a rainy lake or whatever it is a rainy apartment complex and we're not fighting about your mother and also you're just railing me so not really the notebook at all' moment with even if they told me they ran the Ayn Rand fan club but apparently those who find me hot don't think the same way...

anyways please hope i feel better because if I get sicker I'm gonna keep posting since I cannot text them like 'i hate your guts you got me sick also would you like to hang out once i feel better'

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i just want to be included thank you admins

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very good Google (hexbear.net)
submitted 4 months ago by abc@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

let's see Deepseek...

I mean props for getting it right but holy shit why did you give me a novel (the pictured portion is literally the last 3 paragraphs but there are 15 more i didn't screenshot). This is how you know it is the most leftist LLM; it gives you a dissertation instead of a simple answer.

let's see ChatGPT

...Is Google just fucking stupid??

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The Trump administration is working on a plan to permanently relocate up to 1 million Palestinians from the Gaza Strip to Libya, five people with knowledge of the effort told NBC News.

The plan is under serious enough consideration that the administration has discussed it with Libya’s leadership, two people with direct knowledge of the plans and a former U.S. official said.

In exchange for the resettling of Palestinians, the administration would potentially release to Libya billions of dollars of funds that the U.S. froze more than a decade ago, those three people said.

No final agreement has been reached, and Israel has been kept informed of the administration’s discussions, the same three sources said.

The State Department and the National Security Council did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

Basem Naim, a senior Hamas official, said that Hamas, the U.S.-designated terrorist group that has run Gaza, was not aware of any discussions about moving Palestinians to Libya.

“Palestinians are very rooted in their homeland, very strongly committed to the homeland and they are ready to fight up to the end and to sacrifice anything to defend their land, their homeland, their families, and the future of their children,” Naim said in response to questions from NBC News. “[Palestinians] are exclusively the only party who have the right to decide for the Palestinians, including Gaza and Gazans, what to do and what not to do.”

Representatives of the Israeli government declined to comment.

Libya has been plagued by instability and warring political factions throughout the nearly 14 years since a civil war broke out in the country and its longtime dictator, Moammar Gadhafi, was toppled. Libya is struggling to care for its current population as two rival governments, one in the west led by Abdul Hamid Dbeibah and one in the east led by Khalifa Haftar, are actively and violently fighting for control. The State Department currently advises Americans not to travel to Libya “due to crime, terrorism, unexploded landmines, civil unrest, kidnapping, and armed conflict.”

Dbeibah’s government could not be reached for comment. Haftar’s Libyan National Army did not respond to a request for comment.

How many Palestinians in Gaza would voluntarily leave to live in Libya is an open question. One idea administration officials have discussed is to provide Palestinians with financial incentives such as free housing and even a stipend, the former U.S. official said.

The details of when or how any plan to relocate Palestinians to Libya could be implemented are murky, and an effort to resettle up to 1 million people there would likely face significant obstacles.

Such an effort would likely be extremely expensive, and it’s not clear how the Trump administration would seek to pay for it. In the past, the administration has said Arab nations would help with rebuilding Gaza after the war there ends, but they have been critical of Trump’s idea of permanently relocating Palestinians.

In recent weeks, the Trump administration has also looked at Libya as a place where it could send some immigrants it wants to deport from the U.S. However, plans to send one group of immigrants to Libya were stalled by a federal judge this month.

Moving up to 1 million Palestinians to Libya could put far more of a strain on the fragile country.

The CIA’s most recent publicly available estimate of Libya’s current population is about 7.36 million. In terms of population, Libya absorbing 1 million more people would be equivalent to the U.S. taking in about 46 million.

Precisely where Palestinians would be resettled in Libya has not been determined, according to the former U.S. official. Administration officials are looking at options for housing them and every potential method for transporting them from Gaza to Libya — by air, land and sea —is being considered, according to one of the people with direct knowledge of the effort.

Any of those methods would likely prove cumbersome and time-consuming, as well as costly.

It would take around 1,173 flights on the world’s largest passenger airplane, the Airbus A380, at its maximum passenger capacity to transport 1 million people, for instance. With no airport in Gaza, moving anyone from there on flights would first require transporting them to an airport in the region. If Israel does not want to allow Palestinians to come through its territory, the closest airport would be in Cairo, about 200 miles away.

Transportation by land from Gaza through Egypt to Benghazi, Libya’s second-largest city, which is farther east than the capital, Tripoli, would require driving about 1,300 miles. Automobiles typically hold fewer passengers than other modes of transportation. About 55 people can fit in an intercity passenger bus.

Up to 2,000 people can fit on the top-end versions of some of the ferries the U.S. used to transport civilians along the Mediterranean Sea to escape Libya’s civil war in 2011. If those vessels were to be used — and assuming that they didn’t need to refuel and weather conditions were good — it would take hundreds of trips lasting more than a day each way for up to 1 million people to travel from Gaza to Benghazi.

The plan under discussion is part of President Donald Trump’s vision for a postwar Gaza, which he said in February the U.S. would seek to “own” and rebuild as what he called “the Riviera of the Middle East,” two current U.S. officials, the former U.S. official and the two people with direct knowledge of the effort said.

“We’re going to take over that piece, develop it and create thousands and thousands of jobs, and it will be something the entire Middle East can be proud of,” Trump said at the time.

To achieve his goal for the reconstruction of Gaza, Trump has said Palestinians there would have to be permanently resettled elsewhere.

“You can’t live in Gaza right now, and I think we need another location. I think it should be a location that’s going to make people happy,” Trump said in February during a White House meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Trump outlined a goal of finding “a beautiful area to resettle people permanently in nice homes, and where they can be happy and not be shot, not be killed, not be knifed to death like what’s happening in Gaza.”

“I don’t think people should be going back to Gaza,” he said.

Trump’s idea, which blindsided some of his top aides, including Secretary of State Marco Rubio, when he announced it, drew criticism from America’s Arab allies and U.S. lawmakers from both parties.

“We’ll see what the Arab world says but, you know, that’d be problematic at many, many levels,” Trump ally Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said at the time.

The U.S. and Israel in March also rejected a proposal from Egypt for rebuilding Gaza without relocating Palestinians.
The administration’s work on a Libya plan comes as Trump’s relationship with Netanyahu has become strained, in part because of Israel’s decision to launch a new military offensive in Gaza.

The Trump administration has considered multiple locations for resettling Palestinians living in Gaza, according to a senior administration official, a former U.S. official familiar with the discussions and one of the people with direct knowledge of the effort. Syria, with its new leadership following the ouster of Bashar al Assad in December, also is under discussion as a possible location for resettling Palestinians currently in Gaza, according to one of the people with direct knowledge of the effort and a former U.S. official familiar with the discussions.

The Trump administration has taken steps toward restoring diplomatic relations with Syria. Trump announced on Tuesday that the U.S. would lift sanctions on Syria and met briefly with the country’s new leader, Ahmad al-Sharaa, on Wednesday.

I wish a very painful death to the entirety of the United States!!!

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submitted 4 months ago by abc@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

Watching Y'all make fun of people for being virgins or calling people virgins really hurts.

Posting here on an alt because my normal username can be linked to me in real life, but I post here daily. Most of you have probably upvoted my posts at one point or another. But yeah, I'm old, and I'm a virgin, and while it doesn't bother me much anymore, it's really bad praxis to call people virgins as an insult or to make fun of them for being virgins. Incels are bad not because they are virgins but because they just blame women for their cause. Make fun of them for their shitty beliefs, not because they are virgins.

I think for a lot of us we still hold on to the capitalist idea of success that has been handed to us. That we need to have money and a job and a partner and kids and all that to be seen as good. And that's not possible for a lot of us. I know that's not possible for me I've been unemployed for years at this point. So we make fun of them for believing in the system but still not having it. I think it's right when people point out here that the things a lot of the alt-right are mad about are rightful things to be mad about. It's just that they then blame them on the (((globalists))) and muslims and immigrants and SJWs when really it's capitalism and actual rich people.

But seriously, that's all I have to say. Please think before using virgin as an insult. It's just a state of being, that of having not had sex, and every single one of you were a virgin at some point in time. Thanks for reading. I love all y'all anyway.

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submitted 5 months ago by abc@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

KILL HIM

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submitted 5 months ago by abc@hexbear.net to c/games@hexbear.net

ooh i'm gaming

[-] abc@hexbear.net 119 points 9 months ago

people liked it very-smart

[-] abc@hexbear.net 92 points 10 months ago

walter-yell NEVER KILL YOURSELF THERE IS WORK TO BE DONE AND A WORLD TO BE WON FROM THE JAWS OF CAPITALISM

[-] abc@hexbear.net 82 points 10 months ago

no but really what did he mean by this thonk

i will pray someone asks him at his confirmation hearing, the only way democrats can possibly #resist

https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1161062269641474049

[-] abc@hexbear.net 100 points 10 months ago

point-and-laugh-1point-and-laugh-2

President Trump thank you for defending pedophiles across the country by nominating Mr. Gaetz as AG

[-] abc@hexbear.net 107 points 1 year ago

Yeah I genuinely think it is Joever for him after tonight, I've never watched a debate where all the immediate post-debate coverage chyrons are like "Should Incumbent drop out??" LMAO

[-] abc@hexbear.net 83 points 2 years ago

debating saying "free palestine" around my black israelite uncle to see what his reaction is but I know everyone else will be like "come the fuck on ABC...." i-think-that

[-] abc@hexbear.net 86 points 2 years ago

everyone keeps choosing the minions one when the grimace one is 100% better and doesn't crop out the protesters sign

McDonald erasure

[-] abc@hexbear.net 81 points 2 years ago

We love our admins folks, we have the best admins and the best mods palestine-heart

[-] abc@hexbear.net 103 points 2 years ago

of course the actual lives lost in 9/11 was tragic, yes, but it is primarily funny (at least to me) because:

A. its been 22 years and most Americans act like it happened yesterday

B. We kinda had it coming (as a country, not saying the janitors or firefighters themselves did)

C. Most Americans will get red in the face if they hear you say or do something even mildly neutral about 9/11. I had a teacher once scream at me in the hallway because I, as a high school senior in 2012, was like "the 8:46 announcement that 'please take a moment of silence the first plane has struck the North Tower' and the 9:03 announcement 'please take a moment a silence the second plane has struck the South tower' are ridiculous and literally just trauma porn & what is worse is that most of the student body doesn't even have memories of 9/11" (the announcement shit was literally done like every 9/11 in my school district. Announcements for both planes striking the towers on the exact minute it happened as well as moments of silence during them. Every 9/11 was like this K-12 - ridiculous)

D. I am kinda super biased against 9/11 in general because I for years, being biracial, had people call me a terrorist because in my 95% white town I was the closest complexion to middle eastern they'd ever seen.

E. Uhhhh the War on Terror??

[-] abc@hexbear.net 101 points 2 years ago

they laughed at me when i said i would sleep with him & could change him.....

look at him now you fools

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