Hello.

I intend this thread to be a sincere discussion regarding both the usage of GenAI on db0 and the place of "pro vs anti" discourse in our communities.

There have been heightening tensions between both groups online, especially here on Lemmy and especially here on db0. For a good case study, see this recent thread in the lefty memes comm.

I will preface this with the fact that I am very much in the "pro-AI" camp; stated for the purpose of clarity, transparency, and honesty. I study machine learning academically and am aware of my own biases. I believe much anti-AI discourse fundamentally doesn't understand what they're talking about and mistakenly directs their own anti-capitalist, anti-corporatist sentiments towards a morally/ethically neutral technology that can be used for both great good and great evil. I disdain OpenAI, Anthropic, and others - not really for any reason other than they're massive corporations and it is antithetical to my beliefs what they do and the products they develop. I digress, I'm not here to proselytize.

With that said, I am of the opinion that the "anti-AI" communities in the fediverse and on social media as a whole have a significantly more toxic culture and are quite reactionary in nature. It is a known issue amongst moderation here on db0 that this particular group is known for brigading and being generally hostile.

Regardless of your stance on the matter, I think it is obvious that this issue is getting continually worse and needs some sort of community level solution. The status quo here is untenable and is only going to inflame more tensions in both camps the longer it is allowed to go on.

I don't intend this thread to be a location for proponents of either side of this argument to stand on a soapbox necessarily. This is about figuring out a way to coexist when a handful of individuals seem absolutely set on malicious behavior. How can we lessen animosity between these different parties and sort of "simmer down" the poisonous rhetoric that is generally employed all across the AI debate? You see proponents of both views engaging in egregious argumentative practices at times and it is clear that this situation is continually degrading and needs something to be done about it.

Thoughts?

Hi, new member and refugee of the upcoming lemm.ee shut-down.

Tried to import a broken settings json yesterday and since then I get the message to "wait a few minutes" before importing again. Raw XHR response is "rate limit exceeded". It's more than 12 hours and still get the same message.

Not complaining, just wondering what the actual cool down duration is. Would love to import my old community subscriptions all at once.

Apologies if this is the wrong community for this, I've just joined this instance but I seem to be having issues viewing some comments when logged in. Its most obvious with this post:

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45866244

At the time of posting there are 11 comments on there but through the web UI and the Voyager Android app I can only see 1 (with 1 reply that won't load). Using the Jerboa mobile app I can see 5 comments with a couple of errors saying "There is no record of this comment" for the others. If I view it without being logged in I can see all the comments as expected.

This does seem to be affecting other posts as well, I'm not sure if actual posts are also being hidden or not. Is this just because my account is new? I don't remember having this problem on lemm.ee or lemmy.world

After yet another bot scraping wave forcing me to do sysadmin work at 3am, and me ranting about it on lemmy, @self@awful.systems linked me to a post that referenced iocaine which sounded a perfect way to get back on bots that don't respect our resources and time.

At the same time, we recently on-boarded @tenchiken@lemmy.dbzer0.com as an extra sysadmin to reduce the "bus factor" of our instance (say hello), and they graciously offered some spare compute they had lying around. So I thought, since serving iocaine to bots doesn't really require any serious uptime, why not put it those resources to good use.

So after a couple of hours messing up with things, I've now deployed iocaine to protect our instance as well as fediseer. This should hopefully start messing back with these bastards by serving them some surrealistic nonsense I had squirreled away.

If you want to see this in action, set your user agent to GPTBot and visit our instance. If you find yourself trapped in iocaine somehow, just let us know.

cross-posted from: https://lazysoci.al/post/26601069

A big shout out to all our LGBTQI2S+ users and community members. Glad to have y'all around!

Direct link to the icon: https://th.bing.com/th/id/ODLS.4bec5ac5-b1ec-4f81-8a01-0845df0004c9?w=32&h=32&qlt=97&pcl=fffffa&o=6&pid=1.2

Hey everyone, hope you're doing well. For some time, lemmy's been struggling with donations. For all these years, the lemmy devs, like them or hate them; have been building the software that powers the entirety of the forumverse (that's what i'm calling it, fuck you) so if you have even a dollar/euro/peso/whatever to give, it would be greatly appreciated (by the lemmy devs, and all instance admins!)

Good day to y'all :D

crossposted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/29579005

An open source project the size of Lemmy needs constant work to manage the project, implement new features and fix bugs. Dessalines and I work full-time on these tasks and more. As there is no advertising or tracking, all of our work is funded through donations. Unfortunately the amount of donations has decreased to only 2000€ per month. This leaves only 1000€ per developer, which is not enough to pay my bills. With the current level of donations I will be forced to find another job, and drastically reduce my contributions to Lemmy. To avoid this outcome and keep Lemmy growing, I ask you to please make a recurring donation:

Liberapay | Ko-fi | Patreon | OpenCollective | Crypto

If you want more information before donating, consider the comparison with Reddit. It began as startup funded by rich investors. The site is managed by corporate executives who over time have become more and more disconnected from normal users. Their main goal is to make investors happy and to make a profit. This leads to user-hostile decisions like firing the employee responsible for AMAs, blocking third-party apps and more. As Reddit is a single website under a single authority, it means all users need to follow the same rules, including ridiculous ones like censoring the name "Luigi".

Lemmy represents a new type of social media which is the complete opposite of Reddit. It is split across many different websites, each with its own rules, and managed by normal people who actually care about the users. There is no company and no profit motive. Much of the work is carried out by volunteer admins, mods and posters, who contribute out of enthusiasm and not for money. For users this is great as there is no advertising nor tracking, and no chance of takeover by a billionaire. Additionally there are no builtin political or ideological restrictions. You can use the software for any purpose you like, add your own restrictions or scrutinize its inner workings. Lemmy truly belongs to everyone.

Dessalines and I work fulltime on Lemmy to keep up with all the feature requests, bug reports and development work. Even so there is barely enough time in the day, and no time for a second job. Previously I sometimes had to rely on my personal savings to keep developing Lemmy for you, but that can't go on forever. We partly rely on NLnet for funding, but they only pay for development of new features, and not for mandatory maintenance work. The only available option are user donations. To keep it viable donations need to reach a minimum of 5000€ per month, resulting in a modest salary of 2500€ per developer. If that goal is reached Dessalines and I can stop worrying about money, and fully focus on improving the software for the benefit of all users and instances. Please use the link below to see current donation stats and make your contribution! We especially rely on recurring donations to secure the long-term development and make Lemmy the best it can be.

Donate

Just woke up. 28 new applications! Each time i refresh the page i get two new apps.

Welcome to all former users of r/GenP! An admin is talking to one of their mods about getting their community onto here, hopefully we can work something out.

I hope you all like the Instance, and Lemmy as a whole.

But guys... You gotta read the application ;) Just because it's simple doesn't mean you get to ignore and get it wrong completely :D

As of writing this i just got 6 more applications ;-;

it seems we're now blocking hexbear. i haven't been active recently; did something happen about 8 days ago?

EDIT: it wasn't intentional:

• https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43326274/18427001
• https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43326274/18426927

Recently I wanted to refer to the general populace of the divisions by zero, but it occurred to me we don't have a good shorthand for it,. I.e. like one talks about "lemmings" or "redditors". We could use something for members of lemmy.dbzer0.com.

Ideas?

You're promoting plagarism and art theft left and right.

I was inspired by the translation of our application form we recently added for Korean so I decided to add a Greek version.

I also decided to maintain a copy on the wiki, for easier updates with history as well. In fact, I added a page to maintain it for each language. If you want to volunteer more languages, go ahead.

I decided to use the informal version of Greek, to make the application less "nameless"and formal. Εαν έχετε ιδέες για διορθώσεις, πείτε.

Σε ευχαριστούμε για το ενδιαφέρον σου να γίνεις μέλος της κοινότητάς μας. Σημειώσε ότι αυτή είναι κυρίως μία ιστοσελίδα απο Αναρχικούς αλλά δεν χρειάζεται να ταυτιστείς ως Αναρχικός για να εγγραφείς. Δώσε λίγο χρόνο για να διαβάσεις τους Χρυσούς Κανόνες πριν κάνεις αίτηση, για να βεβαιωθείς ότι η κοινότητα του Lemmy μας είναι κατάλληλη για εσένα.

Χρυσοί κανόνες

1. Δεν είμαστε κάφροι με τους συνάνθρωπους μας. Για λόγους σαφήνειας, απαγορεύεται αυστηρά να λέμε στους ανθρώπους να αυτοκτονήσουν ή να τους κατηγορούμε οτι είναι ασφαλίτες ή βαλτοί.
2. Ακολουθούμε τον Αναρχικό Κώδικα Δεοντολογίας (Αγγλικά). Αυτός ο κώδικας αποτελεί τη βάση όλων των αποφάσεων μας για τον έλεγχο της κοινότητας μας.
3. Δεν κάνουμε δημοσιεύσεις που προωθούν cryptocurrencies, blockchain ή NFT.
4. Δεν ανεβάζουμε Διαφήμισεις ή αυτοπροβολές χωρίς προηγούμενη έγκριση από τους συντονιστές του ιστότοπου.
5. Δέν λέμε ακροδεξιές μαλακίες. Αυτό περιλαμβάνει θεωρίες συνωμοσίας, SovCit, Copaganda, Αναρχοκαπιταλιστές κ.λπ. Θα το καταλάβουμε όταν το δούμε, μην προσπαθήσεις να μας δοκιμάσεις!
6. Δεν αναπτύσουμε αντιεπιστήμονικές ή ψευδοεπιστημονικές μαλακίες.
7. Δεν λέμε σταλινικές μπούρδες. Δεν υπερσπιζόμαστε τα ΚΝΑΤ.
8. Δεν είμαστε τρανσφοβικοί ή TERF.
9. Πρέπει να συμπεριλάβεις την φράση "Συμφωνώ να ακολουθήσω τους χρυσούς κανόνες" στις οδηγίες της αίτησής σου παρακάτω.
10. Αυτή η ιστοσελίδα είναι περήφανη να είναι σύμμαχος των ΛΟΑΤΚΙ+ ατόμων και κοινοτήτων. Εάν δεν είσαι ΟΚ με αυτό, μην κάνεις αίτηση.
11. Όταν πηγαίνουμε σε άλλες κοινότητες Lemmy, σεβαζόμαστε τους κανόνες τους ΚΑΙ τους κανόνες μας όταν είναι πιο περιοριστικοί. Ας μην δώσουμε αφορμή σε άλλους να αποσυνομοσπονδίσουν την ιστοσελίδα μας.

Οδηγίες αίτησης

Για να εγκριθεί η αίτησή σου, θα πρέπει να συμπεριλάβεις και τα τρία στοιχεία που αναφέρονται παρακάτω:

• Βεβαιώσου ότι έχεις διαβάσει τους χρυσούς κανόνες απο πάνω και στη συνέχεια, συμπερίλαβε τη «φράση κλειδί» που αναφέρεται εκεί κάπου στην αίτησή σου.
• Πές μας το όνομα του αγαπημένου σου αναρχικού, πειρατή ή/και προωθητή ανοιχτού λογισμικού. Εναλλακτικά, απλώς πες μας την αγαπημένη σου πρακτική, εργαλείο ή λογισμικό αναρχικού/πειρατικού/ελεύθερου λογισμικού. Δεν επιτρέπεται να αναφέρεις τον Eric S Raymond ή τον Stirner.
• Γράψε την απάντηση στον παρακάτω γρίφο: "Η Αλίκη έχει 4 αδερφούς και έχει επίσης 2 αδερφές. Πόσες αδερφές έχει ο αδερφός της Αλίκης;" (Σημείωση: Η Αλίκη είναι γυναίκα, αυτή δεν είναι μια ερώτηση κόλπο)
• (Προαιρετικό) Εάν είσαι και θέλεις να το αποκαλύψεις, γράψε «ADHD» (ή 🦋) ή/και «ASD» (ή ♾️) κάπου στην αίτησή σου και θα σε κάνουμε tag αναλόγως.

Οι ελλιπείς αιτήσεις θα απορριφθούν. Η βωμολοχία ενθαρρύνεται. Ευχαριστούμε για την κατανόηση.

Σημείωση: Βεβαιώσου ότι έχετε επαληθεύσει το email σου μετά την υποβολή της αίτησης, διαφορετικά η αίτηση δεν θα διεκπεραιωθεί.

Διαδικασία Έφεσης

Εάν η αίτησή σου απορριφθεί, μπορείτε να υποβάλεις έφεση κατά της απόφασης μας στο matrix: https://matrix.to/#/#div0-appeals:matrix.org και θα επανεξετάσουμε την αίτησή σου.

(Generously translated by @noahimesaka1873@lemmy.funami.tech. Check her instance out :D)

한국어 전용 인스턴스는 https://lemmy.funami.tech(신청서 번역에도 도움을 주신 분!)에서 확인하세요.

저희 커뮤니티에 관심을 가져 주셔서 감사합니다. 이 인스턴스는 아나키즘을 주제로 하고 있습니다만, 아나키스트가 아니시더라도 가입이 가능합니다. 저희 인스턴스에 적합한지 알기 위해 가입하기 전에 중요 규정을 읽어주세요.

중요 규정

1. 서로 개새끼가 되지 맙시다. 분명하게, 남에게 죽으라고 한다던가, 근첩몰이 등의 행위는 금지됩니다.
2. 아나키스트 행동 강령 (영어)을 따르세요. 이 행동 강령을 기반으로 모더레이션이 진행됩니다.
3. 암호화폐, 블록체인, NFT 관련 글은 금지됩니다.
4. 커뮤니티 관리자 또는 서버 관리자의 허가를 받지 않은 홍보는 금지입니다.
5. 극우주의적 발언은 금지입니다. 자세하게는 음모론, 노무현 전 대통령 관련 고인드립, “남혐” 손가락 우기기, 아나코 캐피탈리즘 등이 포함됩니다. 모를 거라고 생각하지 마세요, 저희는 이미 다 알고 있습니다.
6. 반과학주의, 사이비, 돌팔이 관련 개소리는 금지입니다.
7. Tankie (영어) 관련 개소리는 금지입니다.
8. TERF나 신남성연대 지지자 등 안티페미니스트는 가입이 금지됩니다.
9. 가입 신청서에 “중요 규정을 준수하기로 약속합니다”를 적어야 합니다.
10. 이 인스턴스는 LGBTQ+분들과 관련 커뮤니티의 얼라이임을 자랑스럽게 생각합니다. 이게 싫다면 가입하지 마세요.
11. 다른 커뮤니티와 소통하실 때, 상대 인스턴스 규정이 더 빡빡하더라도 여기 규정과 상대 인스턴스 규정 모두 준수하세요. 다른 인스턴스가 저희를 차단할 빌미를 제공하지 말아주세요.

가입 신청 절차

가입 신청이 허가되기 위해서 밑에 쓰여진 내용 세 가지 모두를 따라야 합니다.

• 중요 규정을 읽고, 써 있는 “필수 작성 사항”을 신청서에 적어주세요.
• 당신이 가장 좋아하는 아나키스트, 해적, 또는 오픈 소스 사상 지지자를 적어주세요. 아니면 당신이 좋아하는 아나키스트/해적/FOSS 관습, 도구, 또는 소프트웨어를 적어주세요. 리처드 스톨먼, 리누스 토르발스, 표트르 크로폿킨은 제외입니다.
• "옛날 이야기 속 아기 돼지 형제는 모두 몇 마리였을까요?"에 대한 정답을 적어주세요
• 당신이 ‘ADHD’ (또는 🦋)나 ‘자폐 스펙트럼’ (또는 ♾️)에 포함되어 있고 이를 알리고 싶다면 가입 신청서에 적어주시면 표식을 제공해드리겠습니다. 불완전한 신청서는 거절됩니다. 욕설은 권장됩니다. 이해해 주셔서 감사합니다.

주: 가입 시 이메일 검증을 하지 않으면 가입 심사가 진행되지 않습니다.

이의 제기 절차

가입 신청서가 거절되었다면. Matrix https://matrix.to/#/#div0-appeals:matrix.org에서 영어로 이의를 제기할 수 있습니다. 메시지를 보내주신다면 최대한 자세히 검토 해 드리겠습니다.

Hey mateys,

I've been interested in getting rblind into dbzer0 for some time, but after some help by db0, we finally have it!

For those who don't know, rblind is an instance/theme specifically meant for visually impaired people.

To try it out, set the theme in your settings to "Rblind_dark" or "Rblind_light".

Have a great [early] weekend, all of you :p

Hey peeps, the well-known spam problem in lemmy DMs is getting slightly worse, and the spammer in question is evolving their tactics to evade the very rudimentary options we have built-in to lemmy itself (or should I just call it,non-existent?). To get ahead of this, we deployed a DM-scanner directly in the DB, based off of this code but adjusted so that it's more difficult to pull off shenanigans.

At the moment we're only deleting messages based on the "fediverse chick" spam. However I want to point out that if for some reason you legitimately DM someone on dbzer0 with similar terms, you DM might get deleted, so do be aware about that. Them's the breaks.

Unfortunately I can't reveal the exact code I'm using atm, as this can lead to the spammer adjusting their tactics to evade it. However I plan to adjust threativore to also be able to manage your DB anti-DM-spam filters in the future, to make it much easier to handle this, even if you don't feel confident touching your DB. Stay tuned.

I do hope we get more robust anti-spam tech in lemmy and I did open two issues about this, but it seems this is not a prio atm.

If you realize that the anti-spam ate a DM. Do let us know. If you see spam getting through, also let us know.

In perusing the Lemmy community list, I've noticed several times the dormant !ukraine@lemmy.ca community mentioning a consolidation with !ukraine@feddit.kyiv.ua. As the latter instance has since gone offline, I inquired with the !ukraine@lemmy.ca moderator about switching the consolidation to one of the other two active Ukraine communities.

I was subsequently informed that the change had indeed already been made, but that the version of the community on lemmy.dbzer0.com didn't reflect it. As the updated version is visible on both the original lemmy.ca page, as well as the lemmy.world version of it, is there a reason our version of it is out of date?

Edit: Seems that subscribing to the community to federate it updated it successfully.

Is there any plan to try to fix federation with hexbear.net? Shortly after their domain expired it stopped working, but now that it's back it doesn't seem to have resumed. Does Lemmy even have something in place to fix federation issues when something like this happens?

ex: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/badposting@hexbear.net

https://hexbear.net/c/badposting

In maintaining my Lemmy blocklist, I noticed that I was unable to block the thunder@lemmy.world community, despite it seemingly existing if I look for it on lemmy.world directly.

As it doesn't load when accessed via this instance (lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/thunder@lemmy.world), has it been defederated?

I want this to be a discussion. I'm sure everyone has seen this video by now, and I wanted to ask what people think about the prospect of labeling this sort of stuff as NSFW.

My opinion is that this is just AI-generated softcore porn. The "ethics" of making such a video notwithstanding (Stirner save me,) if such a video was posted in the news of say... Tulsi Gabbard kissing Melania Trump's feet, everyone would immediately recognize it as pornography. This instance, being explicitly SFW, should condemn the sharing of this video on the instance and any future videos or images like it. The liberal news media loves promoting shocking images that they can get away with, especially when it has a heavy serving of homophobia on the side, and clearly they are just getting away with spreading images of sofcore porn all over. Fuck them.

I also would like to hear people's opinions on if we should start demanding other instances mark videos and images of a similar nature as NSFW, because frankly, I don't wanna see this shit when I open Lemmy. I certainly don't wanna see it 10 FUCKING TIMES either.

Hey peeps, 2 weeks ago we opened applications to onboard new instance admins. We had a ton of great people applying and just as we were getting ready to decide, I got struck down by the influenza b and completely flattened to my bed. Welp.

Well, no matter, I'm back now and decided to announce the new peeps we're onboarding to the admin team. Initially I was planning to just add one new person, but we got so many strong applications that I felt bad choosing just one.

So without further ado, our new admins are:

• @YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com
• @fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com

Both seem to have a history which appears to align well with our values and will provide fresh perspectives and experiences to our admin team. Peeps, feel free to introduce yourselves with as many details, pronouns, and/or fanfare as you prefer.

That out of the way, this brings our admin team to 6 members, which starts getting to the point where's the sheer amount of admins and users makes it more likely that conflict arises, either between admins, or between admins and the userbase. In most other forums, this kind of thing typically causes a closing of the ranks and/or internal purges of dissent with the site owner taking the role of the BDFL. We've seen it already with lemmy instances and the regular drama which hits meta-comms.

So, since I'm the actual owner and I hate nothing more than being a BDFL, I want to attempt something novel in this space. You see, one core concept of anarchism is instant recalls. As in, the people that represent any group for a specific project, are not representatives in the same way as in parliamentary democracy. Instead, they are there to follow the exact mandate given to them, and if they are seen as going against it, the people below them have the right to immediately recall their mandate. None of this "minimum a couple of years" and popularity contest shit which allows corruption in.

I want to attempt something similar in our instance. I don't quite know how well it's going to work, but I'm willing to give it a try. The way it's going to work, the admin team is considered to have a mandate from the userbase to do admin shit. We don't want to be calling a vote for every ban and improvement after all. However as a counter-balance, any stakeholder gets the right to initiate recall vote against any admin, including myself. The vote will be run at a 75% threshold to remove, using the governance community.

However due to the impact of such votes, the hope is that perhaps we can sort things out before it gets to it, so the expectation is that people will first open a "sense check" thread in governance to talk about it before taking it to a vote. But if things have reached a head, then a recall vote is there to check our instance admin power.

The remaining admins of course are expected to replace any removed admins to ensure the good instance operation.

I did say that you can even recall myself if you so voted, however there's indeed some hard realities we can't get around. I still control the servers and the domain, and it's not possible to enforce their management based on such votes. So I will still ultimately be able to interfere, but I promise that even if I'm removed, I will only step in to ensure the instance recall functionality is respected. Ultimately this is an experiment that I want to attempt so I'm willing to roll with whichever way it goes.

Now there's one more thing of concern, which is about someone gaming the system. This is not all set up to be super rigorous. I'm hoping our relative obscurity and super-low stakes will prevent anyone attempting to game the system. Likewise, if foul play is suspected, I am still as a failsafe to recover.

You might be asking yourselves: Why do this? Why even mess with this sort of radicalism when the BDFL approach is tried and tested. The answer is because...well, power corrupts. Having power over people does something to one's brain, mates. So many times I've seen well meaning people turn to shit because they felt they were the only ones who knew best and could protect people from themselves. I don't want that. Every BDFL approach eventually creates internal cliques, mistrust, "good ole boy clubs" and such. I base my life in trying to shed as much hierarchical power from myself as possible and it hasn't led me astray, and if we want to change this shit world we're living in, we need to try things that don't repeat the same shitty structures. So while I can't do something perfect, I'm willing to do something flawed and see how far it takes us.

So yeah, welcome the new mods and tell us what you think.

PS: We also upgraded to Lemmy 0.19.9.

Just wanted to share for people who moderate communities that Tesseract lets you see who voted on a post or comment. This means that as moderators you finally have the ability to take action against users who downvote every post in your community or who vote with multiple accounts, or similar situations.

This might not be a new thing but it's something no one is talking about and I just wanted to let you all know its a thing.

It works on this instance: https://t.lemmy.dbzer0.com/

Or at the main Tesseract Frontent: https://tesseract.dubvee.org/

As communities are only federated with this instance when at least one of its users subscribes, new and small communities are at an inherent disadvantage in terms of discoverability. While not a problem unique to this instance, Lemmy Federate is used by several other instances to have a bot temporarily subscribe to communities from federated instances until at least one actual user from the instance subscribes.

Although the federation of additional communities means that users who curate their All feed via extensive community filter lists will have to filter more communities, I think the benefits to the discoverability of communities across Lemmy, promoting their growth in the process, would make it worthwhile.