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[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 66 points 1 month ago

Americans will do anything to avoid just using trains.

[-] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

While I don't necessarily disagree with you, trains are used here all the time specifically for long haul stuff.

[-] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Rail is used in the US. We just don't have as much rail infustructure so they can only get so far. If the port/factory/wearhouse aren't connect by rail then they'll have to use trucks for at least part of the transit.

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[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 3 points 1 month ago

Trains are great but they don't typically run to your local warehouse...

[-] deranger@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago
[-] turtlesareneat@discuss.online 4 points 1 month ago

Because the warehouse was built on the tracks. Alas that infrastructure tie-in has mostly gone away, new facilities are built with proximity to cheap labor, land, and easy to consume + pollute natural resources.

[-] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago

They have, and they could again

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[-] fishos@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Except that nearly all US rail is for freight. We hate PASSENGER trains. We freaking love freight rail.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Except that's rail only carries 16% of freight by weight and 2% of freight by value.

Pretty sure USA hates freight rail too.

https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-846-november-10-2014-trucks-move-70-all-freight-weight-and-74-freight-value

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[-] twopi@lemmy.ca 59 points 1 month ago

Why not make automated trains with their own dedicated right of way?

[-] Rambomst@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

But that would require investment in infrastructure...

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[-] yggstyle@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

*** everyone but the lobbyists liked that ***

[-] JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

They already are automated trains on freight only routes like mines.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

It's absurd to suggest running a railway to every warehouse in East Bumfuck, Missouri.

[-] deur@feddit.nl 6 points 1 month ago

Oh. But a road is famously cheap.

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[-] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago

Great... I can't wait to be hit by one of those on my motorcycle

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

I'd actually bet they're safer than some tweaked out dude on his 20th hour at the wheel.

[-] SHOW_ME_YOUR_ASSHOLE@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

Same. Our government can't even figure out a way for us to trigger a green light so I'm not confident that any self-driving vehicle regulations will consider us either.

[-] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Heh, I got hit by that stupid thing today. Luckily the crosswalk button was right there, so I ran over and smacked it before the traffic signal cycled again.

[-] SHOW_ME_YOUR_ASSHOLE@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

I've heard of people doing this but my strategy is to just wait until it's safe and run the red light or go right and bang a uey.

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[-] yggstyle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I vaguely remember a dystopian book that described that exact thing as the protagonist thinking he was looking at an odd flag on the front of the truck until he realized what it was. Can't remember what the book was though 😔

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 month ago

As of Thursday, the company’s self-driving tech has completed over 1,200 miles without a human in the truck.

That's not an impressive number. That's like 2 days' worth of driving.

[-] suicidaleggroll@lemm.ee 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah that's about 2 and a half round-trips between Dallas and Houston, that's...not a lot to be calling this thing ready to go and pulling out the safety drivers.

I wonder how these handle accidents, traffic stops, bad lane markings from road construction, mechanical failure, bad weather (heavy rain making it difficult/impossible to see lane markings), etc.

You'd think they would be keeping the safety drivers in place for at least 6+ months of regular long-haul drives and upwards of 100k miles to cover all bases.

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago

That figure is without a human in the truck, not with a safety driver. I.E, they've done a bunch of testing beforehand.

[-] GluWu@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Most rigs go at least 1,000,000 miles and that isn't isn't even end off life. You'll be paying not much less than new for a rig that only has 100k, that's practically brand new. These systems should have 100 million proven miles. These things weight 80,000lbs which can be very hazardous materials.

You should see the pile ups semis cause in low visibility. Even with really good lidar, I hesitant to say autonomous trucks can be safe running off independent systems on full mixed use roads.

We could add those systems to all roads to feed back to semis to know conditions and hazards miles before they reach them. We could build new smart roads for all autonomous vechilce to travel on separately.

Or we could just end the 100+ year old railroad cartel. Could move people and cargo with ease. But that isn't profitable.

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[-] Hawke@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

What an incredibly infuriating waste of effort that would be so much better spent on trains, driverless or otherwise.

[-] boatswain@infosec.pub 9 points 1 month ago

I don't know why you're being down voted; here's an upvote for being sensible.

[-] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 month ago

And how do they handle a person slowing down in front of them and hijacking them? At least a human might be able to navigate away aggressively but I think the programming would prevent as much harm as possible.

This new lawless future and we may need to raid corpo lords.

[-] saltesc@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

I can't really imagine people wanting to hijack a truck that's basically a giant camera and tracking sysystem.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

I've seen plenty of youtube videos to know people are dumb enough to try this.

[-] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

The resistance needs supplies!

[-] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Really?

Big box truck, no plate or other #s on the rear. Halloween masks for the crew.

I think that'd work, no problem.

[-] MBech@feddit.dk 6 points 1 month ago

Honestly, sounds like the corporation's problem. I'm more afraid for human lives than some product in the back. In a case like that it'd be better to not have a driver who could be killed.

[-] JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Why do you think a morbidly obese truck driver would have any luck against blaggers with shotguns ?

[-] fishos@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Driverless does not meant unmonitored. Aside from numerous sensors, including door sensors, you really think if it suddenly slows to 0 mph at an unscheduled time/location that it's not going to alert someone? "Hey, your freight just stopped transporting itself. Guess we should do nothing". Aside from most of these being ready to be taken over by a remote driver if need be for liability and convenience reasons.

[-] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago

But, do they speak English?

[-] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 9 points 1 month ago

Even in a hypothetical best-case scenario world, unless you have a driver on board any malfunction and you're delayed 2-8 hours because there wasn't a person in there to repair anything

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

How many issues on a truck is the driver able to fix themselves though?

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

A lot. Most of them do a lot of basic maintenance and break-fix work themselves.

[-] GluWu@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

Lol, no they dont. This is such reddit shit. Say something people will believe for the updoots because they have zero clue.

Your average driver is lucky to have a bat to check tire pressure. All the old guys that know how to work on their rigs are now too old to do it, or have enough money to just call the roadside desiel mechanic. 90% of drivers don't own their rig, don't give a shit, and are taught to just call the company to send a mechanic.

[-] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I'm a driver, and I replace lights and fuses, fill up tires and fluids, change wipers, and that's it.

Anything else wrong, it's mechanic time.

[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

Terrifying.

I wonder how much our car insurance will go up due to this.

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[-] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 month ago

How is it better than trains again?

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