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[-] bigFab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Only a biology professor could know wiping out an entire animal population affects biodiversity negatively.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 68 points 4 days ago

The genuinely toxic tale is that we sat around for 69 years before we decided to fix things.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 70 points 4 days ago

Most people like to argue that "people didn't know better back then." That's absolute bullshit. There were ecologists and scientists fighting to preserve wolves in the 1920s, and conservatives and capitalists chose to ignore the best advice of educated experts because killing wolves was easier and more profitable.

[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 34 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Well I for sure learned in school that our ancestors called wolves the nurses of the forest. In our culture anyway. They're very important because by hunting old and sickly animals preferentially instead of killing indiscriminately, they improve the overall health of populations of other animals like deer or elk. Obviously it's also not great for any population to get too large because they'll destroy their own food supply. Again, release the wolves.

[-] whereisk@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Fascinating, even if a gruesome thought if you reverse the analogy.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

For the sake of argument, even if they didn’t know any better (shame on them for not knowing better), they could’ve easily recognized the problem and fixed it much sooner than 1995.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Sure, but we still have conservatives and capitalists ignoring the best advice of educated experts because it's easier and more profitable.

[-] whereisk@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

The system is geared towards negative presumption of the recent past even as it glorifies and reveres the long past (ancient philosophers and religious figures).

Just in case most of us figure out that anything we think of as new or intractable problems are things that we knew about and were deliberately ignored or actively campaigned against by the same forces that do it now.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 18 points 4 days ago

PETA is still against it. Adding to the evidence that PETA is not a serious organization.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

PETA are POS that needs to be put down like the rabid dogs they are.

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 4 points 4 days ago

Are we about through with the 69 years sitting around about climate change? Can we actually start fixing things?

[-] b3an@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

How much of that was seeing what all those decades actually DID, and a generation later realizing it needed to be changed.

Still it’s crappy we are so crappy with our home. I do think we should work exceptionally hard to fix things here. Find real solutions to problems. Else what’s the point of going to other planets? We need those same skills to survive, terraform, geoengineer, know the potential for ecology, etc.

[-] 2bee@mander.xyz 16 points 3 days ago

I like the concise text information, but as a graphic designer this infographic is very poorly laid out and very easily causes confusion (as partially seen in the comments here).

[-] iuly20_07@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago

It goes to show that the solution to everything is wolves. If it didn't work, you haven't used enough wolves.

[-] FundMECFS@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 days ago

Is there a way to follow this without opening a terrible Zuck owned website.

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 days ago

2065: the entire population of Montana is wolves.

spoilerDon't ask about Idaho or Wyoming.

[-] perishthethought@lemm.ee 14 points 4 days ago

We're reintroducing wolves in my state now and its been problematic so far.

https://coloradosun.com/2025/03/05/gray-wolves-depredation-payments-colorado-wildlife-commission/

Nb: I don't have a side in this. Just sharing recent news.

[-] NewOldGuard@hexbear.net 16 points 4 days ago

The environment is more important than rancher’s bottom lines

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 11 points 4 days ago
[-] perishthethought@lemm.ee 4 points 4 days ago

I wonder if anyone knows whether ranchers in WY / MT lost income & were compensated by the state as well?

[-] otterpop@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Yes, they were. The Wyoming Game and Fish Commission regularly compensates losses due to predation that have been verified.

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Reintroducing wolves won't work everywhere.

Hunting can be an effective population control as well, but seeing how large and sparsely populated Yellowstone is, it's probably why it didn't work there.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

I guess the government pays for all other lost income due to natural events?

[-] friendly_ghost@beehaw.org 4 points 3 days ago

They forgot to ask the elk

[-] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Don't dead open inside.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 5 points 4 days ago

Is 31 wolves enough for genetic diversity?

[-] MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago

There are national forests next to it and native reservations nearby and a more difficult path to Canada, so you would expect some of the males to roam out. That's only really a problem if they're isolated.

[-] Psythik@lemm.ee 4 points 4 days ago

How did wolves affect all of this?

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 10 points 4 days ago

without the wolves, there is nothing stopping the deer population/elks from exploding, and when theres a ton of deer or elk theres an increase the trees, bushes being stripped for food since deers like to eat them. Also the drastic increase in parasites that would affect other animals the deers, have like ticks and tickborne diseases.

trees and bushes die from all thier leaves getting stripped constantly, unless its a super poisonous tree(which is more common in the tropics), and birds dont have nests, and insects wont able to pollinate certain plants,,,etc.

[-] zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 4 days ago
[-] Psythik@lemm.ee -2 points 4 days ago

How is it the wolves' faults that elk are assholes?

[-] scratchee@feddit.uk 11 points 4 days ago

It’s not, the lack of wolves caused the elk to become a problem. Returning the wolves is (according to the infographic) fixing the elk problems.

So it’s more like the wolves are policing the elk, it’s the wolves “fault” that the elk are not a problem.

[-] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

The wolves were supposed to be the bouncers at the hip new club "Yellow Stone" and they were shirking their duties and started working at a different club called "The Underworld." Because they weren't there to stop those horny bastards, they fucked all those trees. It's called wood for a reason, amirite? /s

[-] philycheeze@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

My understanding is that this has been wildly oversimplified and puts much more emphasis on the Wolf conservation efforts. To be fair, there is also a lot of places in and around Yellowstone that still teach this same trophic cascade idea.

https://wolf.org/wolf-info/wolf-magazine/do-wolves-really-change-rivers-part-two/

this post was submitted on 04 May 2025
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