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[-] SavinDWhales@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

The article is overly dramatic. It's like someone putting an RFID Tag ON something.

You're not going to eat this microchip unless you are a fan of eating Parmesan rind, the part where they add a label made from casein.

Also: 1 1/2 year old news

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/aug/18/parmesan-producers-fight-fakes-microtransponders-chips-rind

[-] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 3 points 1 month ago

it’s not news it’s shit post sry

[-] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

You're not going to eat this microchip unless you are a fan of eating Parmesan rind, the part where they add a label made from casein.

I mean... I don't eat it, but I do freeze it to add to bolognese sauces when they're cooking for a long time.

[-] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

this honestly doesn't sound too bad (as long as the chips aren't toxic)

using blockchains to track the movement of goods, like from ports or for cheese, is probably their only non-BS use case other than volatile currencies

the reason a Blockchain would be preferable to a traditional database is bc its effectively impossible to change the records on it

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

It's ironic that the design of blockchain is to be impossible to edit as security against fraud. Because crypto is famous for all the fraud, And the block-chain's nature makes the fraud permanent and fixed.

At least one of the currencies had to fork because fraudulent transactions couldn't be undone.

[-] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

impossible to edit as security against fraud.

Well security against monetary fraud, like faking coins or double spending. Especially double spending, at the time when bitcoin started pretty much all the other mathematical problems were figured out except that one.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 1 month ago

And the block-chain's nature makes the fraud permanent and fixed.

Not true

[-] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

well it is unless the blockchain is forked without that transaction, which doesn't happen often at all so its mostly true with like two exceptions ever

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 1 month ago

They're silicone so I don't know. They're "considered safe for food use" right now.

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 0 points 1 month ago

using blockchains to track the movement of goods, like from ports or for cheese, is probably their only non-BS use case other than volatile currencies

We already do this with barcodes and QR codes, which you can just make with a printer.

[-] usrtrv@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

No? Barcodes and QR codes do not have enough information for unique identification. (Well they could but they start getting bigger and bigger)

But the real issue is needing these codes tracked and audited in a public manner. Instead of having a third party company trusted with all the cheese, you use a Blockchain with a public ledger. This doesn't even require much processing power since there's no incentive to mine as many blocks as possible.

I hate cryptobros but logistics is a good use for the tech. Tech is tech, not all use cases are bad.

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Barcodes and QR codes do not have enough information for unique identification. (Well they could but they start getting bigger and bigger)

This is not really true. A 16-digit decimal code gives you 10 quadrillion unique numbers. FedEx handled ~3 billion packages in 2024, so at that rate it would take them more than 3 million years to use up the ID space. You don't need ridiculously long strings (e.g. blockchain tokens) for useful package ID codes.

If you stored the 16 digits as ASCII characters (7 bits each) it would be all of 112 bits of data. The Micro QR format is more than enough to represent that data, with room to spare for error correction. If you used alphanumeric instead of decimal you'd have 62^16 unique IDs (UC + LC + 0-9), still only 16 ASCII characters (112 bits), and at that point you're more worried about the sun burning out than you are about running out of package ID codes.

But the real issue is needing these codes tracked and audited in a public manner. Instead of having a third party company trusted with all the cheese, you use a Blockchain with a public ledger. This doesn't even require much processing power

If you want the tracking to be useful, then every time a package passes through a handling station the ID needs to be scanned and the ledger updated indicating the transfer of the package ID from one station to the other. Then every node on the blockchain network needs to update their copy of the ledger with the new transaction data. Never mind mining, if you're handling millions of packages per day then updating the ledger will create a stupid amount of network traffic and just eat processing power.

since there's no incentive to mine as many blocks as possible.

Without mining, what incentive would there be for anyone besides the actual shipping company to host a blockchain node for this? How would it not still be "a third party company trusted with all the cheese"?

Also, correcting any errors that get written into the ledger due to some handling failure will be extremely difficult if not impossible:

Once a transaction is sent and confirmed, it cannot be reversed.

[-] GeekyOnion@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Authenticated cheese is the answer to the question, "what is the blockchain really good for, other than laundering money?"

[-] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 2 points 1 month ago

someone who isnt me uses it to buy illegal crime drugs like marijuanas

[-] GeekyOnion@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

See? Criminiminiminal activity!

[-] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 2 points 1 month ago

wtf i love crime now

[-] Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

Two? Two!? Did you inject both!!? That's simply too much cool. Things could tip over.

[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 1 points 1 month ago

I don’t get why people think putting manifests on a blockchain is a good idea. Fraudulent manifests are usually the result of entering fraudulent data into the system, not modifying it mid-flight. If you want a way to address those situations, you need another layer where a trusted central authority is able to revise events. At which point, why even have a decentralized layer?

[-] skarn@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago

I see here no-one has a clue and expects Italian farmers to behave like american businesses, so I'll have to explain. The ideology of Italian farmers (and pretty much all euro farmers) is pretty ugly, but also different from your typical murican grift.

In the specific case, Parmigiano-Reggiano producers are obsessed with the idea that they are losing billions to "Italian sounding" products like american Parmesan. Which they believe are sold interchangeably.

The thing that guarantees the absence of fraudolent data is that only "legal" Parmigiano producers from the Modena-Reggio-Parma area would be allowed to enter data in the system, and your american counterfeit Parmesan would be barred. Of course such a system is blind to the fact that they themselves are likely lying about the origin of their milk, but that's a feature, not a bug.

Unfortunately this is not even peak farmer craziness around here, but that's a different story (the farmer parties e.g. the dutch one are really ugly).

And this is all beside the obvious fact that Parmigiano-Reggiano is indeed the finest cheese in the world, so far ahead of the Parmesan competition that no person could mistake one for the other in a blind test. And the French and Dutch can bite me.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

The big "problem" for the farmers is that consumers don't actually give a shit about the DOP system.

[-] skarn@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago

I have lots of complaints about DOP/PDO, but on the other hand it has its features.

While it's true that, to paraphrase Vesper Lynd, there is parmigiano, and there is parmigiano, and I prefer the latter kind... The worst parmigiano I can buy in EU is still damn good cheese.

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