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[-] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 3 points 52 minutes ago

I actually like the idea of anti-theft FRP, but only if its a local-based instead of cloud based.

You know, like a BIOS/UEFI lock on a computer, but apply it to all the components instead of motherboard only, and get rid of the "remove battery to reset password" bypass, and its a functional anti-theft system.

I imagine its probably much easier to acomplish this on a intergrated device with CPU, Storage, RAM, all on one chip (SoC) like on a phone than with computers.

Unfortunately, corporations always just love to interject and add their "cloud" nonsense to it.

[-] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

If they don't implement the screen lock authentication on AOSP is total useless for private systems like GrapheneOS

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 16 points 11 hours ago

Here's a better idea: how about NOT making phones such stupidly high value items where thieves can access your bank account, make an instant loan and steal that, too?

[-] Rin@lemm.ee 3 points 1 hour ago

Doesn't your bank need 2 sets of creds to log in? Mine does.

also, i like my phone to be fast. If i wanted my phone just be a cheap thing, i'd buy a second hand google flagship from 3 years ago and flash with custom rom.

With my phone being high end, comes the risk of theft, like with virtually anything high end (watches, ice, etc)

[-] Chakravanti@monero.town 1 points 42 minutes ago

Yeah, like access to "your" phone. Kind of stupid. It's like fuck you to all banks. Get PGP signature services and fuck off with you demanded access to my fucking camera and mic.

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 0 points 46 minutes ago

Doesn’t your bank need 2 sets of creds to log in? Mine does.

That's irrelevant when the mugger is holding a gun at you and telling you to input the passwords.

[-] potustheplant@feddit.nl 1 points 5 minutes ago

There's a significant difference between your phone being stolen and this random scenario you just made up.

[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

On the other hand I like that my phone does those things and don't want it to be sellable in the event that someone decides to steal it.

[-] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I used to work on phones, it was so great getting to help design these pocket computers the way I wanted to use them. I honestly saw the future being something like, "ok, cloud is a bit of a trust reach, but on the other hand, your phone becomes a cheap access terminal." I assumed we'd hit a point, with how cheap the hardware inside the machine is, (to this day) where phones would ostensibly become something you could grab from a vending machine. They'd eventually become highly recyclable so you could just take an old phone and chuck it in a recycling bin to have the parts repurposed/recycled.

"Oh crap, my phone just fell out of my pocket and got run over!" Go to vending machine, chuck old phone in recycling, log in to new phone, old phone is nuked remotely if it still functions, new phone starts caching your "phone". You're back in business in minutes.

Phones would have no value to be stolen, phones are accessible to all walks of life, a fairness of technology access helps balance the world.

None of that happened, instead, it was a war of walled gardens, information hoarding, privacy violations, expense, distrust, and loan pyramid schemes so people can dump $1500 on $50-$200 worth of parts that will probably just end up being stolen and sold in aftermarket/underground markets in countries that are less well-off.

I'm kinda irked I ever tried to work on the tech to make lives better and do not regret my choice to not go back to that industry.

[-] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 1 points 32 minutes ago* (last edited 15 minutes ago)

Heh, your vision is kinda like the one Google was touting back when they first announced/launched Chromebooks.
"Oh it broke? Login in on another and your computer is back!"
Don't know if the modern Chromebook/ChromeOS still works like that.

Edit: Oh wow, check out this super over the top ad they made to drive the point home, It's still on the Chrome Youtube channel!

[-] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 8 points 11 hours ago

Only if you're willing to accept Google spy services and all that shit on AOSP, this stuff doesn't work.

[-] Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 21 points 15 hours ago

While this sounds good. It's not, at all

[-] psud@aussie.zone 4 points 1 hour ago

It's good for the common user who's happy to use all Google services and can remember (or has written down) their credentials.

It's absolutely useless for those out of the Google ecosystem

It's annoying through to disastrous for people supporting other peoples' phones

[-] LoveSausage@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 15 hours ago

Assumed as much without opening article

[-] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 10 hours ago

Isn't that the way with almost every tech introduced into phones? "Track your phone while off (for arbitrary unit of time)" = you're tracked by any Bluetooth beacon networks whether you want to or not. Also, "you're now part of a beacon network whether you want to or not."

Any 911/safety feature is just a reach for more tracking/stalking.

You get to contribute to traffic and wifi mapping so the company gets free telemetry they can use for whatever they please at the expense of your battery.

We'll introduce notifications and then not give the user enough control, so notifications can become malicious nags to get you to look at your phone as often as possible.

We'll introduce app stores that become gamified by the app devs, that push updates weekly or more frequently. The changes? Nothing, the dev just wants to reset the ranking of reviews and get the user to notice their app again for more user engagement, meanwhile, burning out your flash with every pointless update.

Oh, shoot, people are using phones too much, we'll introduce "night filters" that only partially filter out blue light, and then let you feel ok about using your phone all night instead of sleeping.

Reckless transmission of telemetry from every app, which often have some blanket permissions to reach into your phone and extrapolate what other apps are there, characteristics of your phone to fingerprint. If you've ever used an app tracker blocker like 1Blocker on iOS or NextDNS or DuckDuckGo App Tracking Protection on Android, you'll see some apps are spatic about gathering and transmitting telemetry. (Worse, some just start firing telemetry attempts at insane levels, like thousands an hour, if they can't connect to the Internet, further depleting your battery.)

If you ever spin up an OS like Graphene that has all this telemetry junk removed, you'll be surprised to find out that your phone's battery can last days. That's an actual useful powerful feature to have, runtime. And instead of having switches like in iOS to "only charge when you're charging off green energy" you're being more green by only having to charge your phone every 3-5 days. The charge/discharge cycles are also reduced, so your battery is now lasting years instead of 12-18 months.

[-] saltesc@lemmy.world 34 points 19 hours ago

Call your carrier to blacklist the IMEI. Done.

It has always worked this way, well before the smartphone era.

The only way to overcome is to find a country the phone works with and has carriers not part of the blacklisting networks. Doesn't make for a very practical resale market...

So, now that's out of the way, what control is Google actually trying to sneak in then?

[-] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 0 points 57 minutes ago* (last edited 57 minutes ago)

Doesn't do much.

Only your carrier would honor it, maybe even all carriers in your country, but they'll ship it off to some other country and the phone would still work (might be missing a few bands, but still fuctional).

The only way for it to actually deter theft is for the entire device to essentially become a brick unless unlocked.

The idea itself is a good thing. The only bad thing about FRP is that it's online-based instead of a local-lock.

[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

That assumes it's attached to a carrier. I had a phone stolen out of the mail.

[-] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 10 hours ago

Same as Apple: total platform control. Like HP and printer ink.

[-] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 3 points 14 hours ago

Some carriers/MVNOs won't allow that request (Fi, Orange, US Cellular, etc.)

[-] Luffy879@lemmy.ml 40 points 21 hours ago

And how does it detect if something is „Stolen“ again?

[-] psud@aussie.zone 0 points 1 hour ago

Someone tries too many times to unlock it with the wrong pin or pattern; someone tries to factory reset it with the wrong pin or pattern

[-] EarMaster@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

You could just read the article. It is pretty straightforward and doesn't require any spyware or profiling as others have suggested.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 17 points 20 hours ago

Spyware. Tracking. Extensive databases. Sneakily active mics and cameras. SIM cards requiring phone numbers tied to government issued ID. Security cameras. Smart home. Facial recognition. Fingerprints. Been incarcerated? DNA.

[-] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 2 points 28 minutes ago

Misinformation.

FRP is triggered by factory reset through any method that's not from the settings menu (eg: Recovery Menu).

It doesn't require "spyware" to work.

Google's spyware issue is a whole separate topic from FRP.

If they wanted to, the developers of Graphene OS could design a FRP system that has nothing to do with Google at all.

[-] Geetnerd@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago

They fingerprint your residence, and general location in the first day.

[-] kionite231@lemmy.ca 7 points 16 hours ago

Fuck you google

[-] Geetnerd@lemmy.world 21 points 21 hours ago

Rent Based Economy.

All these corporations want to make all their properties subscription based, in some form.

[-] absquatulate@lemmy.world 12 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Smartphones are common targets for thieves because they contain valuable personal data and fetch high prices on second-hand markets. To protect this data, Android includes theft protection features that lock down a stolen phone. While thieves might try wiping phones they intend to sell, Android already has robust protections against unauthorized factory resets. Google announced today that these factory reset protections will become even more powerful later this year.

Self-contradicting much?

These justifications are pointless anyway, everybody knows that google and only google has the right to rummage through your data.

"We will not allow you to reset the data until we can confirm that the data is yours"

[-] Luffy879@lemmy.ml 6 points 20 hours ago

If you want security and at the same time want to be able to identify your device if stolen, just scratch your name into the back. Or paint it with a marker. Or whatever

[-] db2@lemmy.world 12 points 21 hours ago

Apple can't even do that and they have total control of the hardware as the only manufacturer.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 7 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Google has hardware they control. Other OEMs can choose to make it available. It's up to them to implement.

[-] db2@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago
[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 0 points 5 hours ago
[-] db2@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

That it's not possible. Roadblocks are the best you can hope for.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 0 points 2 hours ago

Why is it not possible

[-] LumpyPancakes@lemm.ee 1 points 14 hours ago

My $300 G84 isn't worth nicking. Does all I need nicely though.

[-] blinfabian@feddit.nl 4 points 21 hours ago

hello based department? i'd like to report Google

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