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[-] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

US, Canada, Australia, and most of Europe voted against censorship.

It seems Iran was absent, but Israel voted for it.

From 1939-1941 the UK fought Nazis while the USSR collaborated with them.

South Korea abstained, but North Korea voted for it, as did Myanmar.

[-] nuko147@lemm.ee 26 points 1 day ago
[-] orgrinrt@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This seems a bit too convenient a spread to be as simple as that. The resolution very likely was phrased in a loaded way or had some bit that was dubious. Seeing as the second red one is Ukraine and all of the west is yellow, while Russia, Iran, China, India etc are green, there very likely is context that isn’t being given to us, either intentionally or by accident.

Edit: With Russia, China, India, especially, I mean their adventures with oppression of minorities and unequality in general between cultural groups or heritages. I’m not saying the West is without fault or anything, but clearly the ones voting green are neither. They probably wouldn’t vote against their own alignments here unless it’s just word salad without meaning or responsibilities. Which is something I’m confident would lead a lot of Europe at least not accept it because it’s just a watered down version of something actually desirable.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 hours ago

Whataboutism

[-] wpb@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

The resolution very likely was phrased in a loaded way or had some bit that was dubious

These resolutions are publicly available on the UN website, are typically quite short, and actually quite easy to read in general. This one in particular is only 11 pages long, which includes skippable boilerplate. So this assertion is relatively easy to back up and doesn't need to rely on assumptions, and it can actually be quite fun to read one of these resolutions; you get to feel like a proper journalist or scholar or something. So I would suggest you give it a read and seek out the bit that you find most objectionable.

Personally, based on not much more than gut feelings and historical precedent on similar distributions in votes, am a bit more uncertain than you about the reason behind this distribution. If we take the Palestine cease fire vote in the UN of December 2023, for example, you have a very similar distribution. And I know for a fact that that was an earnest, unobjectionable resolution, that was only voted down by the US because it was in their material interest to do so, and voted down by US client states (or abstention) because they're client states. But on the other hand, we also have the obvious context of Russia using this exact language as an excuse for their illegal invasion of Ukraine, so it's entirely conceivable that there's a section in there that says sth like "and thus, Russia shall invade Ukraine, and we're all cool with that". As such, I'm on the fence, and I'll read the resolution later. But do give it a go yourself! It's a very satisfying exercise

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[-] RexWrexWrecks@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Russia, India, and China don't have a "nazi" or "neo-nazi" problem. It looks like the resolution was specifically against that, so stop "whatabout"ing this shit and acknowledge the western countries have fucked up on this vote.

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[-] ghen@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

OP made Crimea green. There's definitely an agenda here And they gave away their country of origin with that little switch.

[-] m532@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 day ago

Look at the timestamp the map is after 2014

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[-] Phegan@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

Either the map is wrong, or the header is wrong, because that is not Germany.

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