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[-] Zacryon@feddit.org 26 points 2 hours ago

I suppose this will become an arms race, just like with ad-blockers and ad-blocker detection/circumvention measures.
There will be solutions for scraper-blockers/traps. Then those become more sophisticated. Then the scrapers become better again and so on.

I don't really see an end to this madness. Such a huge waste of resources.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

there is an end: you legislate it out of existence. unfortunately the US politicians instead are trying to outlaw any regulations regarding AI instead. I'm sure it's not about the money.

[-] glibg@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago

Madness is right. If only we didn't have to create these things to generate dollar.

[-] essteeyou@lemmy.world 36 points 6 hours ago

This is surely trivial to detect. If the number of pages on the site is greater than some insanely high number then just drop all data from that site from the training data.

It's not like I can afford to compete with OpenAI on bandwidth, and they're burning through money with no cares already.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 points 44 minutes ago* (last edited 44 minutes ago)

You can compress multiple TB of nothing with the occasional meme down to a few MB.

[-] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 17 points 4 hours ago

Yeah sure, but when do you stop gathering regularly constructed data, when your goal is to grab as much as possible?

Markov chains are an amazingly simple way to generate data like this, and a little bit of stacked logic it's going to be indistinguishable from real large data sets.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago

Imagine the staff meeting:

You: we didn't gather any data because it was poisoned

Corposhill: we collected 120TB only from harry-potter-fantasy-club.il !!

Boss: hmm who am I going to keep...

[-] yetAnotherUser@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

The boss fires both, "replaces" them for AI, and tries to sell the corposhill's dataset to companies that make AIs that write generic fantasy novels

[-] Vari@lemm.ee 56 points 7 hours ago

I’m so happy to see that ai poison is a thing

[-] ricdeh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Don't be too happy. For every such attempt there are countless highly technical papers on how to filter out the poisoning, and they are very effective. As the other commenter said, this is an arms race.