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How is someone that gets out of breath eating a donut going to protect and serve anyone?

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[-] Bgugi@lemmy.world 66 points 1 month ago

Neither protecting or serving are actual job requirements.

[-] LemmyIsReddit2Point0@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

The "no duty to protect" doctrine. Our news doesn't even have to be factual.

[-] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I think NPR or PBS can't lie on the news or over the air public local news. The over the air news usually will have a PSA opinion piece and it's usually by the owners and mostly sways right. Cable news is free for all and one sided.

[-] sramder@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

This is a common misconception in the U.S., it’s not even the car’s job… that crappy sticker has the shittiest union.

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[-] OceanSoap@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

I think once you pass the physical strength/endurance exam to become a cop, you don't have to take any to remain one. I definitely think that should change, though. Make them pass once a year to retain their job.

[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Fuck the physical part, they should take yearly psychological exams and have continuous education on conflict resolution.

[-] waggz@programming.dev 5 points 1 month ago

There are definitely agencies that do exactly what you described. The one I'm most familiar with has a sliding scale based on age and they are required to pass annually.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

They don't even have to pass those if they don't want to. In portions of America it is just: win an election, appoint your friends and lackies.

A lot of departments use the admission tests to screen out candidates who might be overqualified: they specifically won't want the best. An overwight blob is preferable to an in shape individual that might think before acting.

[-] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 22 points 1 month ago

They are not required to serve and protect. US courts say so.

[-] over_clox@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Cops with guns don't have to run.. 🤷‍♂️

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

All the other kids with the pumped up kicks
You better run, better run outrun my gun

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[-] BossDj@lemm.ee 19 points 1 month ago

Cities in pretty much the entire country are running with an understaffed police force. They'll take what they can get. I'm 100% pro Union, but another problem is that police unions help protect unfit (literally and figuratively) police from being forced to try harder by abusing protected status health claims. I've seen in both police and military, they are handed paperwork if they are not meeting fitness expectations, but nothing ever comes of it.

[-] verdigris@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago

Police unions are the only bad union.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

All labor unions are good. Police unions are not.

This is because police unions are not labor unions, since police are not labor but rather the enforcers for the owner class.

[-] floo@retrolemmy.com 7 points 1 month ago

They’re illegal in many other countries

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[-] derry@midwest.social 5 points 1 month ago
[-] BossDj@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

...well shit. Too smart to be an officer is a thing.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Cities in pretty much the entire country are running with an understaffed police force.

Counterpoint: Americans are already overpoliced and the "understaffing" is only relative to the authoritarians' desire to make us even more so.

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[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 month ago

Our law enforcement is a huge joke and the meh pay, high turnover rate, and low bar of entry attracts the type of people you wouldn't want to be associated with to begin with.

But also, why are small framed 5'3 women allowed to be police?

Fact is, most cops can't outrun or overpower a lot of criminals who chose to resist or flee. In actuality that's a pretty tiny part of the job. The rest is tickets, reports, paperwork, arrests with no resistance, investigations, etc. you don't have to be an athlete or even very physically fit to do any of that. Id rather deal with a fat cop that isn't a dick more than a slim one who's a dumbass.

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

How is someone that gets out of breath eating a donut going to protect and serve anyone?

They don't serve anyone

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 3 points 1 month ago

What? They definitely serve rich people. Why do you think they were created?

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[-] Echo5@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Heard from a local cop that it had something to do with the union. If the department wants to implement a standard the union would require something or other. Something about an incentive? I didn’t get the whole picture obviously. I know police need unions in case somebody sues them but does seem kind of dumb that it’s so difficult to enforce a physical standard.

[-] Delphia@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Now I dont work in the law enforcement industry but I do work in an industry that has supposed fitness requirements although they arent enforced.

For us, the union told them "If they have to maintain a weight of X to remain employed. You have to pay them to hit the gym on company time or pay their gym fees and an allowance." So the company filed that away under "fuck that". Now if you get too fat for the equipment they just move you to a different duty, often one with a shitload of walking around.

[-] theblips@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

It's a fair enough requirement from the union

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[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

to protect and serve is not their job.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 11 points 1 month ago
[-] kubok@fedia.io 11 points 1 month ago

i have been to the US several times. Have you ever tried to eat healthily?

[-] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 month ago

you have to make your own food it's the only way

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 5 points 1 month ago

Its pretty easy. There's fruits and vegetables all over that country lol

[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

From what I've seen, they don't even learn about the law and often break the law by illegal detainment, searches and confiscation. Cops who served for over 20 years but don't know people their rights. They often get minimal training while having to serve alone where everyone carries a gun. That's asking for problems. And now cops in the US are militarized with heavy combat gear, while the majority is white and racist. So obesity is the least of the problems with US police.

[-] PolydoreSmith@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Reminds me of my favorite Simpson’s quote.

Marge (to Bart): “Your father wanted to be a police officer but they said he was too heavy.”

Homer: “No the army said I was too heavy, the police said I was too dumb.”

[-] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago
[-] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 month ago

Considering how dumb the police chief is on that show, I think it was an intentional joke

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[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Why are they also so clearly low iq, and hyper violent?
and why are they paid so well?

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[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In my part of the world, cops are near on top of the food chain in any town and city, sometimes literally getting a free pass as long as they do something for a politician, a celebrity, or a business personality. So some of them, especially senior officers, do eventually get obese because not only they get to choose what duties they want to carry out, but also either they have three full square meals plus two snacks a day, or maybe a drinking party two to four times a month.

Of course they -- the Philippine National Police -- are a government agency, but also they're a fraternity, the so-called "Brotherhood": "you scratch my back as long as I scratch yours".

[-] LordGimp@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

You misunderstand. Cops in the US have no legal obligation to protect OR serve anyone. Check out the NY subway guy that was attacked with a knife while cops watched from 10 feet away behind bulletproof glass. They literally hid in the conductor booth and watched this guy get stabbed in the fucking face repeatedly.

Not only did the guy survive, he actually overpowered and subdued the attacker. Guy brought a suit against the NYPD for failing to protect him when their motto at the time was literally "Protect and serve". Long story short, the end result is that he got a real live judge to say out loud that police have no actual duty to protect you when it could endanger themselves. Coupled with your observation on the obesity of American cops, it could be argued that walking down the street to issue a ticket could be lethal for the cop in question and therefore they have no obligation to do it, they simply choose to do it out of spite.

[-] silentjohn@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Many departments don't require physical tests once hired.

Most of the work cops do is domestic disturbance calls and traffic stops. There's no reason to be physically fit for either of those jobs. Also, most people see the day shift and in nicer neighborhoods; again there's really no need for physicality. Getting on day shift and good area means you've been on the police a while and "earned it" (or you have some clout), so usually olderish cops.

The young jacked mfers usually are on the night shift and in rougher neighborhoods.

Additionally, a bullet resistant vest and all the gear will make you look bigger/fatter than you really are.

So it's kind of a combo of all that.

Also, ACAB

[-] absolutejank@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

to give an answer to a rhetorical question: because firing people based on weight is a can of worms being opened. while it's still technically not illegal to fire someone because their weight makes them "unfit," the ada can be invoked if said obesity is caused by a disorder (e.g., type 1 diabetes). this ignores the fact that it's hard to prove that someone would be unfit just for their weight; it just opens up employers to lawsuits. a simpler way to think about it would be to ask yourself if the guy handing out speeding tickets is "unfit for duty" solely because he's obese.

[-] moody@lemmings.world 7 points 1 month ago

The easy way around this is to require passing regular fitness tests. If your obesity isn't an impediment to the fitness test, then it shouldn't be an impediment to your job.

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Non joke answer: A bunch of reasons. Many precincts are understaffed, so they need all the hands they can get. The police union is huge and makes it extremely difficult to fire even the most homer-simpsonian individuals. Many of the hugely obese cops are assigned to "light duty" meaning the most exertion they face is paperwork, manning the public information desk and or doing things like serving writs (in some cases you're allowed to wear the uniformn even if you're not a bonded officer, which is absurd). Additionally, fitness requirements are actually fairly rare across the whole spectrum of law enforcement - It's surprisingly rare to see them for any positions besides uniformed patrol officer, even detectives or etc. aren't always required to pass them - and even when you do, they're usually pathetically easy to pass.

[-] MTK@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Kind of an over simplification. Yeah, cops should ideally be fit-ish but even an obese person with a gun or a tazer can protect people, maybe not as well but still, and that doesn't take into account the fact that a lot of cops are not actually on the streets but rather in an office doing paperwork etc. The problems are:

  • There are maybe not enough cops that are fit for actual fights?
  • Cops are ridiculously undertrained and unfiltered, giving us all if these assholes that really just like power.
[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Never met anyone who was too fat to shoot minorities.

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