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submitted 2 weeks ago by airikr@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

Like what the title says. There's always a catch unless it's FOSS. So, what is the catch with them giving games for free that you can keep forever? What will the developers of the games get as a thank you?

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[-] fubbernuckin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 2 weeks ago

It's likely a scheme to entice people onto their platform because they're not as trusted as valve or gog. If they become a monopoly then we'll get to see all the various catches to that.

[-] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

this tbh
though it doesn't really work, i have 183 epic games, none of which have i bought lol

[-] who@feddit.org 58 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

One catch is that Epic's mystery code is allowed to execute on your computer.

Note that I don't mean just their launcher. Often, if not always, the games themselves are linked with Epic code, ostensibly for license checks and/or integration with Epic services. This gives them the ability to snoop on stored data, installed/executing processes, biometrics, etc.

Running those free games with an alternative launcher does not protect against this.

It's not just a theoretical concern, either. Epic has already been caught copying Steam files, collecting friends play history, and scanning running processes.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/developing-epic-games-launcher-appears-to-collect-your-steam-friends-play-history-up2-valve-responds-see-threadmarks.105385/

https://old.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/comments/wakewr/epic_games_spyware_vs_steam_vs_as_comparision_ea/

https://www.pcgamesn.com/epic-launcher-spyware

I don't trust them, their CEO, or Tencent (which owns a significant chunk of Epic), so I don't run games that come from them.

[-] Thorned_Rose@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago

This is such an underrated comment for such an important point.

[-] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago

Is this an issue when using the Heroic launcher as well? None of the links mention this being an issue with Heroic.

[-] who@feddit.org 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Heroic Games Launcher doesn't change the code in the game executable itself, so yes, it is still an issue when using Heroic.

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[-] Rose@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

Citing "fuckepic" 🤦. The spyware claims from amateurs not even understanding the basics of Process Monitor have been long debunked by people who aren't even sympathetic to Epic (1, 2).

[-] who@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Trying to discredit people because of the forum on which they discussed a topic, or because you view them as beneath your skill level, is a more than a little misguided, and frankly, disingenuous.

Epic themselves have admitted to copying Steam data and scanning running processes, as has been documented in various news articles. (example, example)

In any case, the point is not one particular incident or report, but rather that they have the capability, grant themselves permission to use it via their policy documents, and have earned distrust among a lot of gamers. Posting condescending emoji here doesn't change that.

Edit: P.S. In future comments defending Epic, you might do readers the courtesy of stating up front that you are moderator of an Epic Games forum.

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[-] TerHu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

can it be sandboxed in a sensible way? (on linux specifically)

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[-] airikr@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

And there we have the catch! If not one of them. Many thanks :)

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 2 weeks ago

The catch is you have to install the Epic app or whatever it is called.

Also they hate Linux and shitcanned the already-existing native Linux port of Rocket League when they bought it. It's fair to say you won't dump resources into making new Linux ports but shitcanning a quality one that already existed? They can eat shit.

I never played Rocket League again after that.

[-] Knuschberkeks@leminal.space 18 points 2 weeks ago
[-] HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 weeks ago

Or don't use Epic at all.

[-] voytrekk@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 weeks ago

You have always been able to claim the games for free on the website.

[-] clb92@feddit.dk 8 points 2 weeks ago

You can claim them, sure. But you'll need their launcher when you want to play them.

[-] moody@lemmings.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Heroic Launcher runs on both Windows and Linux

[-] clb92@feddit.dk 5 points 1 week ago

Third party launchers do exist, yes, but normally you'd have to use Epic's launcher. That's what they're counting on, anyway.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago
[-] clb92@feddit.dk 4 points 1 week ago

You would ordinarily have to use their launcher, but third party launchers do exist.

[-] warmaster@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

That is not true on Linux.

[-] Libra@lemmy.ml 40 points 2 weeks ago

The catch is now you have games in their ecosystem and are more likely to spend more time and money there.

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 weeks ago

They want you to use their service. You're more likely to use the service if you already have a library of games on it.

What will the developers of the games get as a thank you?

They wouldn't be making them free without making a deal with the developer first. There was a leak that showed the actual amount a while back.

[-] airikr@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They wouldn’t be making them free without making a deal with the developer first. There was a leak that showed the actual amount a while back.

That is what I was after! Not the leak, but the catch. Do you have the link to the source for the leak?

[-] glitching@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago

it's not "forever". it's however long they don't have any ideas to the contrary.

why it was implemented - so that executive #279 can show executive #114 that number go up. look how our engagement is rising! look at all them people downloading our app! when I took over from exec #317, number was this big, lookie now!

same way google made their search worse, so you have to search multiple times, thus upping the engagment, page views, etc. and then exec X goes to exec Y and say "look there's a huge rise in searches where my bonus at!"

[-] airikr@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

it’s not “forever”.

So true. Today it is known that you only buy a license of the games from Steam. And since Epic Games works in the same way as Steam, this also applies to them. They can delete any games from your library whenever they want - just like that *click*. I stopped buying games on Steam when that came out publicly and moved to GOG instead.

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[-] lorty@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago

The catch is downloading the Epic Launcher. Or not even that if you are on Linux.

[-] Psythik@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago

To lure people away from Steam and onto their platform. There is no ulterior motive. Origin does/did (IDK I haven't played an EA game in years) this too for the same reason.

[-] Rose@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

This. The court documents from the trials vs Google and Apple even showed that they divide how much they pay the publisher for the giveaway by the number of users acquired to determine the cost per user.

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[-] medem@lemmy.wtf 11 points 1 week ago

It's 2025. If you are getting a 'free' software product, there's a chance of about 99,9% that the answer to that question is either 'analytics/tracking/telemetry/customer retention' or a combination of many or all of them.

[-] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 7 points 1 week ago

In that case, you have to deal with the shitty epic launcher that is prone to "lose" user data.

[-] airikr@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

When it comes to non-FOSS, yes, I agree.

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[-] Schwim@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 weeks ago

"developers see sales increases on both the Epic Games Store and on Steam, Valve’s competing PC game store. Sweeney also points out that the free games can be a good deal for players in developing countries where gaming may be more expensive, meaning that they help expand the global reach of some titles. And since developers get a flat fee from Epic so that Epic can offer their game for free, they make some money no matter what.

Epic isn’t being entirely altruistic, of course. The company spends a lot of money to be able to give games away for free, and it certainly wants to offer good ones that keep people playing on its platform instead of others like Steam. And if Epic can attract players with free games from notable developers, those same players might also try out some of Epic’s big free-to-play multiplayer games like Fortnite or Rocket League, keeping them in Epic’s universe — and, again, off Steam. "

Source: https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/9/23630846/epic-games-store-free-weekly-giveaways-2023

[-] LedzMx@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Exactly, Unlike Steam, who does have some popular games, but if I think about it their only free titles are TF2 and Counter Strike and dont care much anymore on developing games, and they are popular, but old. Epic is giving free games, and you might also end up playing Fortnite and get hooked on it. Little by little they might spand their options but thats how they start to grow. The thing that I do find stupind on their part and genius on Steam is the support of linux development and how they made the Steam Deck, just having a device that is very easy to use, replaces a gaming console, and you dont have to spend anything developing anything for it, no games, no software, just their OS and making Proton more compatible, and you have access to the biggest gaming library. Even if their SteamOS is closed sourced, hardware is decent, and you can change OS easily, unlike old game consoles because its just a pc in a gaming case. It changed the gaming industry forever, they might not have been the first to offer this, but they did produce a good product that others take as a standard. If Epic starts to support linux, they would have a much better and secure future, the main problem is that they have to change their gaming engine to think of doing that, and thats hard and they might not want to touch their golden chicken for a while. Steam can make those investments because they have being here a long time and they stabilized their growth venture, Epic is on their first couple growth sprouts and decisions for the future might not be that appealing.

[-] CeaselessBanana@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

make bad platform give free games ??? profit

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Epic claims it increases sales (much in the same way that pirates do) but I suspect it's just to get people past the very high barrier of creating an account and installing their (presumably) ad-ridden and data-collecting (they're owned by Tencent) launcher.

The former doesn't make much sense to me given they could just buy those games on Steam anyway and have a much better experience.

[-] moody@lemmings.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

they’re owned by Tencent

About 35%

Tim Sweeney himself owns 41%

[-] who@feddit.org 4 points 2 weeks ago

Tencent owns a substantial portion of the company, and therefore has substantial access and influence. Nitpicking about the percentages is irrelevant.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 weeks ago

Logistically, it's super cheap marketing. Epic pays the dev a reasonable pittance ( assuming it's not a free game, they do that too) you got to watch their ads during download/install, they got you email, they know what games you're interested in. Your interests are for sale for sure, but for a free game, may be worth a throw away email.

[-] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I've claimed probably 70% of the free games for the past four or five years. I've noticed some of the titles disappear. So one catch is, you may not get to keep the free game(s) you grab.

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

I hadn't noticed this, and I've claimed a ton of them as well. Do you have an example?

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[-] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Nah that's pretty weird I've not heard of that before. I've snagged a fair number and still got them as far as I can tell.

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[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

The problem with EPIC games is, that you need an account with your full name and data, even for an free game, not needed in Steam or GOG, where it is enough with nick and mail, only the need for more if you want to buy a game. Searching free games, only Steam and Itch.io are full of these.

[-] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 4 points 1 week ago

What do you mean, I have a nick, fake email, fake name and I'm enjoying my free games for years.

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[-] alerich@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 weeks ago

Of course they want to lure you in, but honestly I never bought anything there despite catching the free games regularly. Setting up the account doesn't require much personal information and you can just use tools like Heroic instead of their app.

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