Republicans sure love shooting dogs. I thought Trump would just pardon the guy. Now I think he'll nominated him to a cabinet position too.
ICE Ken.
They actually love dogs a lot. They adore simple minds that give unconditional love. They're not mindless monsters with different axioms, they're just dumb as fuck. And we could absolutely use this to change narratives in this country if we understood it better.
Cops in the US murder around 10,000 dogs a year one study estimates, but the figure might be much higher, because it's not surprisingly hard to get data on something that police turn off their body cameras for or deny releasing to any outside agency.
Basically, if you own a dog, and you let a cop into your house, if they bark at the cop the cop will likely shoot the dog in front of you and carry on like nothing happened and you have no right to do anything, as the threat stands pretty strong in the air over the sounds of your dog's last breaths. If more people released videos of this happening, I think we could push police overhaul with far, far more success than we had with BLM.
And if you're reading between the lines and saying "wow he's saying that the right cares more about the lives of dogs than black kids" yeah that is what I'm saying. No, we can't change it. But I think if we worked with those primitive feelings at front and center, we could make a lot more progress in turning them little by little.
edit: as you predictably recoil at this and feel dismissive and offended at the idea that conservatives love dogs and we need to leverage that as another tool to change how they feel, try to ask yourself if you're reflexively angry here because you think they're incapable of love and human feelings. If they've been dehumanized for you, congratulations, you're sliding down the same path you've seen and condemned in others countless times before. Your enemy is human, they have human feelings. The difference is how they manage those feelings and the stories they tell themselves to explain those feelings. If you think understanding someone is the same as defending their actions and choices, you're flat out stupid and deserve whatever misery you're likely swimming in.
I'm afraid I must disagree. The right, in general, don't care for dogs any more than they care for any other livestock. There are exceptions, of course, but in general they care about them as tools. Guard dogs, hunting dogs, great, but if that hunting dog misbehaves, they have no problem taking it straight to the gravel pit like Kristi Noem did. You even point out in your post that cops in the US shoot dogs at a mind boggling rate. Well, those cops are predominantly aligned with the right, are they not?
They may not have deep, intellectual compassion, but they have human feelings, and I can EASILY dig up thousands of facebook groups of right-wing dog lovers and their products, of people who have unparalleled love for guns, trump and dogs.
See, where you're having a disconnect is the normal, human response to seeing behavior that runs against their own feelings. You're encountering cognitive dissonance, and sorry to say once you start seeing it, you can't stop seeing it and learn it's fundamental to the human condition. Nobody is immune but some fall into it far more easily.
The cops that shoot dogs? Probably have their own dogs that they cherish. The people who scream and cry about how we need to deport immigrants? They would fight tooth-and-nail to keep their groundskeeper from being deported because "he's a good guy and has a family." The ones who want to see women die from miscarriages? They'll drive their daughter over state-lines and pay for HER abortion. You see this everywhere. They voted on grocery prices... ask them how they feel about the price of eggs and poultry right now and you'll get a dumb stare and a shifting goalpost, because those feelings were then, these new feelings are now.
And they do this all without a shred of self-awareness. I think we will fight the right a lot better when we understand that they're not people who think the same way as we do. They aren't aware of "punching down" or power structures, all they're aware of is "punching" and cannot, will not EVER be able to separate themselves from their limited scope of "this is how I feel right now." And this is also why this kind of mentality has been so successfully roped in by con-men who appeal to people's selfish feelings.
Republicans only care about themselves. So they care about THEIR dog, THEIR family, etc. anything or anyone else is "others" that can burn for all they care. You see it when some of them suddenly support homosexuality when their kid is gay and "oh, so it's actually NOT a choice!" But they're also more likely to disown their kid or shoot their dog if it doesn't meet their expectation or fit in their world view.
I think that's what the other person is saying too.
will not EVER be able to separate themselves from their limited scope...
If they can't be changed, then what?
We attack what they're feeling. We shift their feelings. We appeal to their ever-shifting emotions and their selfish wants in the "now" and we make them hurt inside in a way that can't be shifted into anger at a target. Honestly the issue of showing how police kill pets is a HUGE one I think we're all leaving behind because I think for a lot of leftists, we're afraid that if we make it an issue we will get attacked by other leftists for ignoring all the other huge issues and the human lives that are also being harmed.
And that's the rub, we try so hard to craft arguments and make cases that encompass everyone and everything that we lose sight of how to deeply inject our feelings into the heart of that old white lady who commands the respect of her grown chud kids. People who do NOT care about how well crafted our socialist arguments are or how much data backs up our ideals. We gotta stupid-down and find a new grass-roots compass for change, because we're not winning.
They actually love dogs a lot.
Despite all evidence to the contrary, you have quite the conviction. Quite the dedication to defending a terrorist
Boelton shot their family dog after murdering both parents. Kristi Noem murdered her family dog because she didn't want to train it and was promoted to a high level cabinet position
Police, by your own admission, kill many family dogs. Police also heavily skew conservative
In spite of all that you think this administration and its followers love dogs?
So several things:
Quite the dedication to defending a terrorist
This is a juvenile and destructive bit of hyperbolic performatism and points to a clear lack of actual seriousness about the issue. If you don't care about outcomes you're on the wrong side.
Police, by your own admission, kill many family dogs. Police also heavily skew conservative
I will reference what I said elsewhere but you obviously didn't read, which is that conservatism as a mindset is not coherent, it's about how they feel now. They are gaining ground because we're addressing intellectual ideas with them and they only care about what's on their mind right now, this is what I'm saying we can exploit. But it involves something that will make reactionary turds on the left pretty uncomfortable, which is acknowledging that the vast majority of conservatives are normal people. Misguided but with the same emotions and wants for themselves.
The cops that shoot dogs? Probably have their own dogs that they cherish. The people who scream and cry about how we need to deport immigrants? They would fight tooth-and-nail to keep their groundskeeper from being deported because “he’s a good guy and has a family.” The ones who want to see women die from miscarriages? They’ll drive their daughter over state-lines and pay for HER abortion. You see this everywhere. They voted on grocery prices… ask them how they feel about the price of eggs and poultry right now and you’ll get a dumb stare and a shifting goalpost, because those feelings were then, these new feelings are now.
So my point is that we need to do better to appeal to the emotions they are using and figure out how to make it less about "including everyone" and more about "this is the pain you may feel next."
If this is too "kind to terrorists" for you, you obviously haven't been paying attention to how easily the underclass looking for equality can become the bad guys. Whatever happens in our country, we have to share it with them after, so I don't entertain these kinds of tones that the right is inhuman monsters. Maybe the people bankrolling the media personalities, but the people are just people and you're equally capable of losing cognitive thought and following your momentary feelings.
Just wanted to say, in the face of downvotes and angry replied, that I think you are absolutely right.
Republicans are the pro-murdering-dogs party.
Madman? He knew exactly what he was doing. He's a maga murderer.
Guess he was really leaning into the whole "impersonating a police officer" thing.
Here's a guy who killed two prominent people, shot two more, and a rescue dog.
I hope they at least give him the Luigi treatment.
I hope they at least give him the Luigi treatment.
Luigi, or whoever actually did it, had the decency not to harm anyone's family or pets. This motherfucker deserves far worse.
I agree. But on the other hand, it seems like they've gone above and beyond "normal" in their approach to Luigi. I wanna see this MAGAt perp-walked in full shackles like they did Luigi.
There's only one way that happens
Trump will pardon him 100% if he gets a federal charge.
Luigi actually saved lives though. The assassination of Brian Thompson was a stated symbolic protest against insurance practices that deny life‑saving care intended to spotlight and stop those denials. His act sparked intense public outrage media attention regulatory scrutiny and investor backlash which pressured UnitedHealth to soften its claim‑denial practices and approve more life‑saving care. That shift led to higher costs. Lower profits triggered the largest one‑day stock drop in 25 years and prompted a class‑action lawsuit by investors.
Luigi set out to right actual wrong and literally saved lives in the process
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/unitedhealth-investors-lawsuit-brian-thompson-luigi-mangione/
He should have to clean every bathroom in the New York City subway system.
With a cotton swab.
I fully expect the GOP to give make him a talk show host on Fox.
What an asshole.
Just trying yo sell the cop disguise.
Has the white house made any statements about the murder yet?
That's the onion though.
That it's Walz's fault
It's so fucking infuriating...
The guy apparently had some no kings fliers so they're sticking to that and saying he was a "Marxist that was mad the Democrats aren't voting the way he wants"
...so... Democrats are simultaneously Marxist leftist all the time, and not Marxists so this guy needs to kill them... Right...
Bro look at the flyers the cops totally found in this dude’s vehicle. Completely legit, not planted by the police flyers. Yup.
I think it’s possible that the flyers were not planted. I don’t really know why it never crosses anyone’s mind that maybe he just stole a bunch of these flyers because he wanted to limit people‘s awareness of the protest.
Like the antifa j6 rioters... Just stop trying before you hurt your brain. Watching them talk about he's a political appointee of the DNC bc he volunteers for some kind of outreach org or something? I caught a fox news clip, swallowed my vomit, and turned it off before I could hear more of their bullshit.
From what I can tell, the 'No kings' flyers were posted by one Twitter account that regularly posts unverified news.
I read an AP article that mentioned them so I really hope they aren't relying on some douchebag on Twitter for their info too :/
I thought it was obvious he was planning bring those as a "disguise" to shoot up a protest next. Then try to find an abortion clinic open on the weekend...
I will be surprised if they address it in anything but the most hands-off, distant references. "We heard something about the story, really tragic, we hate to see it."
Even acknowledging it at all is a political minefield. The good news (for them) is they don't have to! The vast majority of conservatives in this country, even the "tame" ones who are just scared of different people but have no political passion, they're getting a deeply cultivated perspective of the world, one that mentions this murder as a strange side-incident that nobody is really talking about, a feed that shows them hundreds of thousands of people cheering at Trump's parade, of sparse turnouts and cringe leftists at the "no kings" rallies that a few antifa agents organized, of the entire city of LA burning and the tariff's crushing the economic stability of every other country but the USA, and waves of migrant "criminals" crying in anguish as they are being deported by Daddy Trump every day.
We don't see how solid and happy the right is because we also have our own algorithmic bubbles that feed us false hope and dopamine hits of manufactured successes in the face of digital tyranny.
This is all very bad.
Proof that ICE Barbie is complicit.
I’ve heard he was a big Trump fan and now I see he’s a maga madman, at what point was his political alignment ascertained? Does someone have an article they could point me to? Particularly one from a source that couldn’t be easily construed as biased if I were to share with a right winger?
MAGAts attack all that is good in the world.
Normally I don't advocate the death penalty.
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