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[-] JuBe@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

NOTE: This article is from more than 7 months ago.

Edit: I’m on my phone, so forgive any formatting snafus, but I just recently responded to a question about why that Substack post was removed for, and I think it is applicable here.

I’m a mod on c/politics. I don't speak for any of the other mods, and while I don’t recall interacting with your specific post, I’ll give you two reasons today that would likely be sufficient to me, for why I would have removed that post. (1) It’s an article to a Substack post, which isn't necessarily dispositive, but the author is unknown (at least to me), which is a ding against its credibility. (2) I don't know enough about the author's intent to know whether to characterize the article as mis- or dis-information, but I've been involved in elections for more than a decade, so I know that I can say — unequivocally — that the information the author is spewing, is incorrect. Specifically, the author demonstrates ignorance of the technology and logistics involved in the administration of elections, along with different methods of verification.

And just to be clear, the 2024 election was not perfect and there was institutionalized voter suppression; however, that Substack post is not rooted in fact.

The response I got from that post was (the other person quoting me):

I’ve been involved in elections for more than a decade, so I know that I can say — unequivocally — that the information the author is spewing, is incorrect.

This seems to be stating that we must accept what you say at face value without evidence. (End of the other person’s quote.)

To which I responded, and I would say is just as applicable here:

Okay, well here are some facts that you can confirm with anyone else who has been involved in election administration that support my point:

  • The individual or group of individuals involved in administering elections, varies from state to state, and sometimes even more, within a state, so extrapolating from a single case and assuming you could apply that to explain a nationwide election demonstrates a lack of familiarity with election administration.
  • The technology involved in administering elections, varies from state to state, and sometimes even more, within a state, so extrapolating from a single case and assuming you could apply that to explain a nationwide election demonstrates a lack of familiarity with election administration.
  • The article completely skips over addressing how any of these changes wouldn’t be caught during count verification steps.

Those are three things undermining the article’s credibility that you can confirm for yourself. It’s spewing the same kind of bullshit theories that I heard about the 2020 election, and spent the years since, fighting. I didn’t like the outcome of the 2024 election either, but I know what I’m talking about.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Click the “more direct source” in the body of the post for a recent tie-in of how it fits in with Rockland county etc.

[-] JuBe@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I just updated my comment, to reflect another conversation about that Substack, and the short of it is: that Substack post is misinformation.

I know it probably wasn’t your intent, but In the future though, please don’t use a “shell” article to post other content.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 1 week ago

The truth is worse.

That there's more people who want this (or at least did until they realised it meant their families being abducted by ICE) than people who didn't, and more people still who didn't give a fuck enough to bother voting.

That should keep them up at night more than vote rigging.

[-] TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

more people still who didn’t give a fuck enough to bother voting.

For reference, the 2020 U.S. Presidential Election:

[-] LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago

FWIW, I didn't vote this past election. Not for lack of trying, mind you. I sent for a mail in ballot and it never showed. I corrected my address (which somehow got switched to an old address) and requested another and every time, the site would throw an error. By that point it was too late and I would need to vote in person which didn't work because of the address thing. And before people go "well you should have made sure first", I did. I verified everything months prior and it changed my info after....

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

IF - and I grant, it's a huge IF - but IF it's true, then more people didn't want this.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm just gonna say it: Everything about everyone involved in this administration screams people who are hired for their loyalty, not their skillsets.

The theory that they used Uninterruptible Power Supplies to modify the vote, and that they had enough people involved to pull this off, yet everyone kept their mouth shut, is not the level of competency I have seen from anyone in Trump's orbit.

As someone with a background in tech, I find it hard to believe. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. They can make up all the stories about they want in their own heads, until there's some proof of it, it's just as bullshit as Trump's claims of election fraud.

If Eaton pushed an update to those UPS units, it could have gained root-level access to the host tabulation environment—without ever modifying certified election software.

So yeah, we're gonna have to have a hell of a lot more to go on than "could have" here. Also I'm skeptical on the claim that Windows automatically trusts any connected UPS and skeptical about the "root level access" claim (including the fact that it is called administrator access on Windows, Windows doesn't have "root" accounts).

Part of the reason I'm skeptical on the root-level access claim regarding a UPS. If you could do this with any old UPS, this would make any and every UPS in existence a major attack vector to every computer and computer network in existence. I find it hard to believe that cybersecurity experts would have somehow missed this in the last 20 years that commercial level UPS's have been in use. That it was just somehow conveniently overlooked that you could override server administration with a UPS. I don't buy that.

EDIT: All this being said, I think a court case to reveal any evidence that is there is important. It's highly improbable but not impossible and so I hope the court case moves forward quickly.

[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Ups software probably installed as system so that it can perform script execution and shutdown properly. That software communicates with the UPS directly. UPS vendors wouldn’t be at the top of my list of security-minded companies.

The execution path isn’t impossible.

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[-] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

It’s actually NT AUTHORITY/SYSTEM access, but that’s being pedantic

[-] kingofras@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I understand where you’re coming from with this angle, but you’re wrong. Very few people need to be involved to get this done. Also, just like with other conspiracy theories that are still publicly frowned upon but highly probably true: I wouldn’t count on internal US people to do the ground work either.

It is very likely the machines were fixed early to mid 2024. I agree that the UPS theory or starlink is ridiculous.

I’ve written more here if you want to understand the broader angle. https://lemmy.world/post/27126084

These two ladies are worth a listen too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk1A-tLIaXY

[-] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

Let's also remember the Russians first hacked in 2016. They had years to map and plan down to the voting center and they had the cooperation of Palantir and Musk.

This is a beautifully simple way to do it. There should be instructions for setting up polling stations with a specific step for the UPS. It's not a smoking gun but should be findable

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 2 points 1 week ago

I've been listening to a great podcast series about Titanic. (This will come around, bear with me.)

One of the things mentioned in the latest episode is that it didn't take long for conspiracy theories to develop about the sinking, that it had to have been done on purpose. Because there are a lot of people who didn't want to believe the truth: that it was possible for the largest luxury liner ever built could go to the bottom of the north Atlantic in two and a half hours on its maiden voyage on accident.

The uncomfortable truth about this last election is that, yes, enough people willfully voted for fascism to put this administration in place. The United States is much further away from the ideal we'd all been led to believe it has strived to be, so far that it's clear that it's not even striving for that ideal anymore. That truth is so unconscionable to some people that accepting a conspiracy theory is more palatable.

That truth is so unconscionable to some people that accepting a conspiracy theory is more palatable.

It's really hurtful to the mind of a kind-hearted person. It says a lot of dark things about humanity in general that this nation was so easily steered into this. It's valid to want to reject it, but I'd rather live in the dark reality and face it than do like the MAGAts and retreat to the safety of fantasy and fiction that it just has to be a conspiracy to explain how so many people are so terrible. Nope, humans are really that fucked.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 1 points 1 week ago

Much like the night sky, humanity is largely a dark thing, speckled with occasional bright spots.

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[-] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

To play devils advocate, I watched children do this back in 2017.

[-] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

Children? That’s a weird way to describe people at defcon, but ok.

I remember that, too. And I remember hackers getting physical access to Diebold machines with a Sharpie pen in 2004.

It still comes back to the fact that the article this stems from is literally nothing but speculation.

[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I think it's also a great risk and a shot-in-the-dark kind of attack. They wouldn't have "live" access to the machines so they would've needed a complicated algorithm to alter results in a believable way. If 100% of votes for Harris get swapped to Trump that's very suspicious. If it's only 10% of votes then you risk having no affect. And if the attack is successful on every machine in a deep blue county or precinct that makes the amount you could reasonably swap even less. In other words it's extremely difficult to be effective AND be subtle.

The Starlink theory sounds a bit more plausible but that also sounds like a stretch assuming the transmissions were encrypted (and God help us if they thought that wasn't necessary).

[-] the_q@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

Except for Trump letting slip that without musk and those voting machines he would have lost and during the Twitter fight between the 2 musk said Trump wouldn't be president without him.

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[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This article was from right after the election, before Rockland county found that its votes didn't add up and the investigation that followed.

I'd be curious to see newsweeks update considering that information.

[-] Buske@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

why does the title say left wing? musk and trump both admitted to it.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

because Newsweek

[-] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The people denying this are the same ones who screamed collusion the first time around, and this is infinitely more clear and obvious. Why are you so desperate to assert that trump won fair and square as it becomes clearer and clearer that isn't the case?

I'm just glad some of y'all are starting to realize, I remember getting banned from multiple communities for stating the obvious cx

[-] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

OK, so let's prove it then.

Gather up the irrefutable concrete evidence and watch most of the people of this country either refute it or ignore it because, to them, the alternative is too difficult to face

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

You can see the spin already, hell Newsweek is using it verbatim: “Left-wing conspiracy theory”.

The key element of which is; there’s no evidence left behind.

Hell I can’t get people to watch the documentary of Cambridge Analytica because they literally do not want to know. And even if it gets proven 100% and soon, the DoJ and the army are owned. The Mueller Report spelled out collusion and with one news cycle, Bill Barr killed it with a simple lie that it did not.

Not putting much hope in this but it is interesting, anyway.

[-] pinheadednightmare@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is why I think our country is fucked. You have a whole side that would die before they admit they were wrong and voted for the criminals. They will literally let our country crumble before they admit they made a mistake…. How do you “fix” that?

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The hardest thing to face is that deprogramming people from a cult is almost exactly like programming them for a cult.

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