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submitted 1 month ago by NONE_dc@lemmy.world to c/games@lemmy.world

I'm talking about games that you still like but you had no idea were criticized so much.

The perfect example for me is Sonic Unleashed.

I admit that the game has its bad things, but I would have never imagined that it was so hated at the time... Although, that could be extended to the entire Sonic franchise, since for many years I was not aware at all of that "Sonic was never good", "Sonic had a rough transition to 3D" nonsense.

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[-] flamingos@feddit.uk 26 points 1 month ago

Fallout 3. The criticism is absolutely fair*, but it was the first RPG I ever played and I'm still very fond of it.

* I never got the 'metros are hard to navigate' criticism, I never had that issues. Most of them are pretty linear.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 month ago

So, I'm an ardent 'New Vegas is the best 3D Fallout game' person.

But... Fallout 3 is not a bad game.

It is fun, it is enjoyable. It has solid game mechanics, it has a good number of well written characters and questlines, it is fun to just explore and find crazy shit.

It has flaws, yes.

But it is far from bad.

It just isn't as good as New Vegas, which imo, basically just did everything FO3 did, but better, had a better overall storyline, refined and improved on all the gameplay mechanics, added in new gameplay features/elements.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

It also had some big gameplay departures from 1 & 2. I'm not talking about being an FPS (although no longer having to worry about accuracy was pretty significant) but the fact that putting on different clothing magically made you more intelligent, and that it was a lot easier to do everything.
In FO3 you can pick all the locks, hack all the computers, pass all the conversation checks, and take on hordes of enemies all by yourself. In FO1+2 you had to pick the couple of things you were good at and not be able to do the other things until your next run.

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[-] Paranomaly@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

Not going to lie, I like it quite a bit more than New Vegas. I understand several criticisms that people have, but 3 was by far the better experience for me.

[-] LucasWaffyWaf@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

A lot of the metros look copy and pasted; whole hallways, rooms, so it gets a little confusing.

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[-] Odo@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

E.T.

Yes really. I played it all the time as a kid and didn't think it was any more difficult or abstract than the rest of the 2600's catalogue. Granted, we kept the manual, which made a huge difference in understanding and enjoying its bizarre logic, but still. I had no idea it was so hated until at least a decade later.

[-] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 month ago

it was actually way ahead of its time, for a game. One small bug (the workaround for which was in the manual) ruined its reputation. But I genuinely think it was a good game.

Also written in 6 weeks by one guy. Freaking impressive

[-] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

What was the bug and workaround? :)

[-] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 month ago

when climbing out of the pit, it was very easy to immediately fall back down (due to the pixel-perfect collision detection).

And here is an excerpt from the manual: "Even experienced extraterrestrials sometimes have difficulty levitating out of wells. Start to levitate E.T. by first pressing the controller button and then pushing your Joystick forward. E.T.'s neck will stretch as he rises to the top of the well (see E.T. levitating in Figure 1). Just when he reaches the top of the well and the scene changes to the planet surface (see Figure 2), STOP! Do not try to keep moving up. Instead, move your Joystick right, left, or to the bottom. Do not try to move up, or E.T. might fall back into the well."

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[-] ch00f@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Super Mario Sunshine. I thought it was just hard as a kid. Come to learn it’s fucking broken.

[-] OutOfMemory@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago

Wait, people hate it? I still do nostalgia playthroughs occasionally, one of my favs for GC.

[-] ch00f@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

There were so many issues

  • Final boss was lame and level leading to it was slow and tedious completely killing the momentum
  • Camera system was wonky
  • Rocket nozzle barely got any play
  • Jet nozzle was too difficult to control to be useful outside of specific racing segments
  • Pachinko machine physics were fucked
  • The lily pad level was unfairly difficult
  • There was no way to track which blue coins you found. Like even a grey coin marker for already collected coins would have been super helpful.
  • The reward for getting blue coins was pathetic
  • Yoshi was criminally underutilized. The whole juice mechanic was used like twice.

The whole thing just felt rushed. Like there was another third of the game that they didn’t get to make.

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[-] ILikeTraaaains@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I’ve just learned about it right now. I loved it but I thought that it was a skill issue, I’m not a great player overall.

[-] Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 12 points 1 month ago

Sonic Adventure 1. I love the hub worlds and how the stories of the different characters intertwine in the shared areas. And I love the variety of characters and being able to freely choose which one to advance (unlike Sonic Adventure 2...)

[-] tuckerm@feddit.online 6 points 1 month ago

Same here, I always liked SA1 more than SA2. I remember being so amazed that you could pick any character to play next and then you'd find out, in any order you chose, how their stories would intersect with one another. SA2 felt like a downgrade without that. I also liked the art style of the first game over the second one.

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[-] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Ah, a comrade SA1 enjoyer 🤝

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[-] Battle_Masker@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 month ago

Yoshi's Story. Yeah it's short, and level unlocking is weird as all outdoors, but people really hating on it for being too easy? Bro, it's a YOSHI game. That's a quarter of the appeal! It's a game you can get younger kids involved in, or you can play after a hard day when you want to turn your brain off partially.

Plus almost everything in that game is adorable. And 64 bit sprite art is goated

[-] whygohomie@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Its the context and expectations. The last "Yoshi" game was a mainline Super Mario World 2, and people expected similar scope and challenge but in 64 bits. Super Mario 64 had further primed people for crazy genetlrational leaps. Yoshi's Story was a fine game, but it wasnt SMW3 by a longshot.

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[-] Cratermaker@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 month ago

I rented Superman 64 as a kid, never knowing it was a universally hated game. We had fun with the weird multiplayer mode where you fly around in weird pod things. I remember flying through the rings too. The whole game makes zero sense in hindsight.

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[-] Crankenstein@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Indigo Prophecy

Played it when it originally released in the US and I loved it as a pre-teen who had no fucking idea what was happening in the story.

Came to find out no one had any clue what was happening in the story regardless and people thought the game was a mess.

[-] pm_me_anime_thighs@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 1 month ago

Oh man I loved that game as a teen but I had to give up somewhere near the end cuz I was in a sneaking section that I tried for hours but kept failing. I ended up dropping the game and just reading the story online. Up until then, it was a really fun game though.

[-] Crankenstein@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

It has literally been about 20 years since I played. I can't say I really remember which part you're talking about. I just remember about halfway/three-quarter into the game things get fucking weird.

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[-] chowdertailz@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Destiny 2.

Started playing the first game day one but stopped for several years. Picked up 2 when I found out it was ftp right after beyond light came out and bought all the dlcs available until after lightfall. I was at work and a customer asked what games I play. Said D2 and someone else said "why would you do that to yourself?" I thought hard about that for awhile and realized all I do is grind and don't really have that much fun with it. It was more like a second job. And lightfall was a garbage dlc. That was also a major contributer to me quitting.

[-] LaserTurboShark69@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My biggest issue with Destiny 2 is that I paid $60 for it and then it soon went free to play and I had absolutely nothing to show for that $60 I paid.

Edit: oh yeah and that original $60 campaign was removed from the game by the time I went back to check out what was new. There was straight up less content available for me after not playing for a year. I felt so ripped off that I wrote the game off.

[-] nfreak@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

Even TF2 gave special cosmetics and stuff to existing players when it went F2P ages ago. It's a standard practice at this point. I sunk 12k hours into D2 until I quit it for good this past fall, and looking back I swear I just notice more and more red flags like this that I hadn't thought too much about.

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[-] Gerudo@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago

A lot of people didn't like Assassins Creed Odyssey, but I loved it. Only AC I've played since 2.

[-] Suck_on_my_Presence@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I think that might be part of it. For a lot of people, it was that the formula was old and tired. I know Odyssey did fairly well, but it's still just an AC game

[-] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Odyssey was the second entry in the new batch of games in the series, where they completely reinvented what that series is. There are a lot of us who find it to be a poor substitution for what came before.

[-] missingno@fedia.io 8 points 1 month ago

I have a lot of childhood nostalgia for Donkey Kong 64. If you were a kid who could only get a new game every few months or so, this giant behemoth of a game will last a long time.

But it undeniably is a bloated clusterfuck, the internet is not wrong in hindsight.

Next thing that comes to mind for me is the GBA port of Tales of Phantasia. Symphonia was a huge part of my adolescent years, and as soon as I heard this was getting a GBA remake I was all over it. Loved it, and didn't hear until much later that GBA is apparently considered the worst version of the game. If PSP ever gets translated, I'd love to see what I missed out on...

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[-] figjam@midwest.social 8 points 1 month ago

Final Fantasy 8. I loved it but apparently I was in the minority.

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[-] 11111one11111@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Every game that ever gets released when you check gaming forums within the first month of a game's release lol /s

Im joking. I get the sentiment that a finished product should be fully complete and inspected by a QA team before release. But still, the fuckin extreme hatred ill see for the game and its studio, regardless of the company's history, is soooooo fuckin wild. And almost everytime when I get to the point of buying the game, ill check the steam reviews and it'll be mostly positive after like one patch release.

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[-] Fogle@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago

Too human. I loved it so much I don't know why people hate it

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[-] CharlesReed@fedia.io 7 points 1 month ago

Dead Space 3. Sure, it has some issues, but I didn't realize how much others actively disliked it until I tried talking to people about it.

[-] Dogiedog64@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Dead Space is one of those series where the first 2 games set the expectations UNBELIEVABLY high. So high, in fact, that the developers were actually terrified they couldn't live up to the legend, and were terrified they were gonna make a bad game that ruined the series. But they were gonna try their damndest.

And then EA executives came along, and they saw that """all the rage""" those days was in Co-Op action shooters a-la Resident Evil 5/6 and Army Of 2, or Gears of War, and they DEMANDED that Dead Space 3 be """more like that""", or else. So they did it, and were also forced to shove microtransactions into the game with crafting materials.

The end result? Dead Space 3 was an... alright 3rd-person action-horror co-op shooter. Not great, not terrible, but... alright. An above-average shade of mediocre, certainly worth playing on its own merits, both mechanically and plot-wise, but not much more than that. A perfectly OK game.

And an absolutely TERRIBLE Dead Space game. Previous installments sold millions on multiple platforms. DS3... didn't, and it ended up killing the studio.

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[-] De_Narm@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance

People only ever talk about Final Fantasy Tactics and dismiss any of the other games. However, going by the original release, Tactics Advance is by far my favorite. It's my favorite GBA game and at least in my Top 25 JRPGs, despite having played almost nothing else for the past 20 years. I like many of the things the game gets criticized for.

[-] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago

This is the one where we bully our little brother into going back to the world where he can't walk, right? :P

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[-] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

How old were you when you played Sonic Unleashed? I thoroughly played and enjoyed Sonic Adventure 2 for the Gamecube when I was in middle school, but revisiting it as an adult, it was so hard to envision how I ever enjoyed the way that game controls. However, even though my muscle memory was totally gone, since all the levels I knew from SA2 were remixed, Sonic Generations was good even as an adult.

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[-] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 6 points 1 month ago

I really enjoyed Mass Effect: Andromeda.

[-] zerofk@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago

I will continue to defend Andromeda. Yes it has its flaws, but no more than the original trilogy. It could’ve been the start of a cool new trilogy.

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[-] tuckerm@feddit.online 5 points 1 month ago

Thief 3. I had never played a Thief game before and thought it was great. Apparently, fans of the first two games were disappointed with it at first. I think the criticism didn't last long, though. Everyone now seems to agree that it was good.

[-] CountVon@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

Do you mean Thief: Deadly Shadows? That was the 3rd game in the series, and from what I understand it was pretty well received. The orphanage level alone is so highly regarded that it has its own Wikipedia page.

Now the 2014 reboot, just titled Thief, that was so poorly received the it basically killed the series. It might have been a decent game, but it was not a good Thief game.

[-] tuckerm@feddit.online 5 points 1 month ago

Yes, I meant Deadly Shadows. It was liked overall, and moreso as the years went on, but I remember plenty of people thinking it was disappointing at the time. Heck, there's one in this very thread. :P I haven't played the first two (and I know that I need to), but I know that it deviated from those quote a bit, and that seemed to be one of the main things people disliked about it.

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[-] pm_me_anime_thighs@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 1 month ago

The best (only good?) part of Thief 2014 was the asylum level. The devs should have just made a horror game from start to finish instead of the watered down Dishonored that we got.

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Dying Light 2. It was definitely different than the first game, but I enjoyed many of the changes. My buddies and I spent a lot of time just running around killing Volatiles, and having a blast while doing so. But apparently a lot of the changes were deeply unpopular with fans of the first game.

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[-] rockyracoon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I spent a lot of time playing Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts alone and online with friends. A lot of people I've talked to view it negatively and are surprised when I say it was one of my favorite 360 titles. It's one of the main reasons I want to try out Xbox 360 emulation.

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[-] damdy@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

Mine was final fantasy 12. I played that game so hard, really enjoyed it and if was released in the time of trophies I would have platinumed it. Even did the grinding for Gilgamesh to spawn for a sword or something. But I was hated at the time.

Now everyone is saying it was one of the best and I was proved right all along.

Sure the story was star wars and the main character wasn't, but the combat system was really fun, way better than 13.

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[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

This is an oldie, but Lords of the Realm II. I loved the first two, but had trouble with the third and ended up giving up, assuming it was a me problem.

Nope, the community pretty much unanimously hates it. It's not a terrible game per se, it's just very different from the first two, throwing out everything most people liked about the predecessors and not exactly succeeding at the new mechanics.

I've decided to build my own take on the best parts of all three, we'll see if I ever finish it.

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