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Image is of the damage caused by an Iranian Kheibar Shekan ballistic missile in Israel, causing dozens of injuries.


Now in our second week of the conflict, we have seen continuing damage to both Israel and Iran, as well as direct US intervention which nonetheless seems to have caused limited damage to Fordow and little damage to Iran's nuclear program. Regime change seems more elusive than ever, as even Iranians previously critical of the government now rally around it as they are attacked by two rabid imperialists at once. And Iran's government is tentatively considering a withdrawal, or at minimum a reconsideration, of their membership to the IAEA and the NPT. And, of course, the Strait of Hormuz is still a tool in their arsenal.

A day or so on from the strike on Fordow, we have so far seen basically no change in strategy from the Iranian military as they continue to strike Israel with small barrages of missiles. Military analysts argue furiously - is this a deliberate strategy of steady attrition on Israel, or indicative of immense material constraints on Iran? Are the hits by Israel on real targets, or are they decoys? Does Iran wish to develop a nuke, or are they still hesitating? Will Iran and Yemen strike at US warships and bases in response to the attack, or will they merely continue striking only Israel?

And perhaps most importantly - will this conflict end diplomatically due to a lack of appetite for an extended war (to wit: not a peace but a 20 year armistice) or with Israel forced into major concessions including an end to their genocide? Or even with a total military/societal collapse of either side?


Last week's thread is here. The Imperialism Reading Group is here.

Please check out the RedAtlas!

The bulletins site is here. Currently not used.
The RSS feed is here. Also currently not used.

Israel-Palestine Conflict

If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.

Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news.
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon. - Telegram is @IbnRiad.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis. - Telegram is @EyesOnSouth.
English-language Twitter account in the same group as the previous two. - Telegram here.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Sources:

Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] cinnaa42@hexbear.net 82 points 18 hours ago

I feel like the whole "Trump is pissed off with israel" thing is mainly a PR push bc israel first policy is increasingly unpopular amongst sections of his base.

[-] WeedReference420@hexbear.net 60 points 18 hours ago

Has shades of when we were constantly told that Biden was calling Netenyahu an asshole in phone calls

[-] very_poggers_gay@hexbear.net 16 points 15 hours ago

down to the emphasis on Trump swearing about it, because that shows he's really mad for real 🙄

[-] Boise_Idaho@hexbear.net 6 points 13 hours ago

Dude just cut a promo like he was in WWE.

[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 29 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I'm going to be the skeptic in this thread and say that I think there's more of a possibility that the tail is wagging the dog than people here think. I do of course feel its necessary to point out that I am not a ZOG person, I just also don't think the relationship operates in one direction. There are lots of Israeli/US zionist officials who have talked about how they have people/procedures in place to make sure anti-zionist voices are sidelined (look at that Pentagon official who got fired recently). Not ruling out kayfabe either, though.

[-] somename@hexbear.net 24 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

I don't think that's a controversial take. The US is of course the ultimate reason that Israel can exist in the way it does, and Israel is a colonial outpost of the US, but that doesn't mean it's not a symbiotic relationship. They both affect each other. The resulting direction is a mix of both political forces, sometimes in unison, sometimes in tension, but charting a path together.

It's a big fucked up loop, or maybe an intertwined tree, than a mono-directional leash.

[-] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 11 points 14 hours ago
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[-] Boise_Idaho@hexbear.net 30 points 17 hours ago

I mostly see this as a vassal that has the arrogance of thinking it's not a vassal and being important enough to its imperial master that the master has to occasionally give in to their demands. A lot of religious nuttery also muddies the waters.

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[-] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 16 points 15 hours ago

Also, as the US empire weakens, it relies more on its various regional enforcers, which gives them more leverage to go after their own agendas

[-] companero@hexbear.net 22 points 16 hours ago

My gut feeling is that Trump called off Israel because of pressure from the Gulf states and Pakistan.

Feels like Israel is now doing a propaganda push ("US bombing didn't work", "the uranium is still out there somewhere") to set the stage for more intervention in the near future.

[-] Jabril@hexbear.net 43 points 18 hours ago

Yeah it's absolutely cover that's the whole point of Israel, they take the missiles both literally and figuratively in a PR sense while the US makes all the plans and approves them

[-] iie@hexbear.net 37 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

yeah same. imo, popular unrest is kinda like water boiling — it’s a phase transition that happens at a critical temperature — and the Trump admin’s public statements are cynical ploys to stay below that temperature while doing unpopular things.

[-] Fishroot@hexbear.net 95 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Life lesson: never try to satisfy a customer who wants to take over your shop

[-] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 60 points 20 hours ago

Dude said “the antisemites have discovered the translate button, to clarify this is a joke” then locked his account. Hilarious

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[-] duderium@hexbear.net 61 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

(Could be a false alarm but) Telegram channels I’m following announced five minutes ago that Tehran, Shiraz, and Hamadan just activated their air defenses. The entity can’t help bombing brown folks, even when it would clearly help them a great deal to take a break for at least a day or two.

The game theory academic who became famous on youtube a day or two ago is predicting that the USA is going to do a (suicidal) ground invasion of Iran. I can also hear Justin Podur saying that all this shit with Trump getting angry at Netanyahu is just for show.

[-] Rey_McSriff@hexbear.net 49 points 19 hours ago

all this shit with Trump getting angry at Netanyahu is just for show

It is. Remember all those headlines during the Biden regime that went something like "Behind Closed Doors, Biden Fumes at Netanyahu"? It's the exact same shit, it's all theatrics to cover up the fact that the US always has and always will call the shots with regards to Israel

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[-] Blockocheese@hexbear.net 54 points 19 hours ago

We're back to business as usual in the Israeli pokemon go groups

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