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Image is of the damage caused by an Iranian Kheibar Shekan ballistic missile in Israel, causing dozens of injuries.


Now in our second week of the conflict, we have seen continuing damage to both Israel and Iran, as well as direct US intervention which nonetheless seems to have caused limited damage to Fordow and little damage to Iran's nuclear program. Regime change seems more elusive than ever, as even Iranians previously critical of the government now rally around it as they are attacked by two rabid imperialists at once. And Iran's government is tentatively considering a withdrawal, or at minimum a reconsideration, of their membership to the IAEA and the NPT. And, of course, the Strait of Hormuz is still a tool in their arsenal.

A day or so on from the strike on Fordow, we have so far seen basically no change in strategy from the Iranian military as they continue to strike Israel with small barrages of missiles. Military analysts argue furiously - is this a deliberate strategy of steady attrition on Israel, or indicative of immense material constraints on Iran? Are the hits by Israel on real targets, or are they decoys? Does Iran wish to develop a nuke, or are they still hesitating? Will Iran and Yemen strike at US warships and bases in response to the attack, or will they merely continue striking only Israel?

And perhaps most importantly - will this conflict end diplomatically due to a lack of appetite for an extended war (to wit: not a peace but a 20 year armistice) or with Israel forced into major concessions including an end to their genocide? Or even with a total military/societal collapse of either side?


Last week's thread is here. The Imperialism Reading Group is here.

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The bulletins site is here. Currently not used.
The RSS feed is here. Also currently not used.

Israel-Palestine Conflict

If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.

Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news.
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon. - Telegram is @IbnRiad.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis. - Telegram is @EyesOnSouth.
English-language Twitter account in the same group as the previous two. - Telegram here.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Sources:

Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 57 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Article from 2019 that covers stealth aircraft and cruise missiles, the possibility of detecting them, the possible kill chain, the differing Russian reaction in academic and public spheres, covers the F-117 shootdown, China building and heavily investing in stealth technologies, etc

Quite long, but worth a read given the events over the past few weeks given how influential it has been. It's an extensive overview. At least China is doing the right thing and heavily investing in stealth technologies to counter the NATO/western advantage here, other nations should follow. The article is written by "pro NATO" analysts, so ignore the political commentary (which is thankfully minimal). But it is a good overview and summary from a factual perspective. Provides arguments, addresses the common counter arguments, etc.

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[-] smokeppb@hexbear.net 68 points 15 hours ago
[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 63 points 15 hours ago

Mamdani isn't even mayor yet! Such crybabies.

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[-] OttoboyEmpire@hexbear.net 77 points 15 hours ago

Haggie Haberman: "Allies of President Trump are already gearing up to turn Mamdani into a national figure to attack and tether to other Democrats ahead of the midterms."

LFG

[-] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 55 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I'm worried this is gonna make other Democrats look too cool lmao

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 47 points 14 hours ago

lmao Free press for Zohran, god they're gonna make him look so cool

[-] culpritus@hexbear.net 36 points 14 hours ago

It's the piped piper strategy coming back the other way. Hopefully Zohran can give the media enough of a show to maintain focus.

[-] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 56 points 15 hours ago

capitalist-laugh "This maniac want's to lower your rent!"

9 out of 10 democrats running for office: "We condemn this extremist who doesn't represent the national democratic party! His policies have nothing to do with us!"

9 out of 10 democrats after they lose their elections: "We lost because of that damn extremist! We must move to the right to appeal to centrists!"

[-] OttoboyEmpire@hexbear.net 78 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Socialism in One City update: ~~my Crossword subscription service, NYTimes, informs me that with ~~54pct~~ ~~62pct~~ ~~81pct~~ 90pct of votes counted into the first round, Zohran leads Cuomo 43 to 36. πŸ™~~ πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰

[-] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 53 points 16 hours ago

Cuomo has conceded πŸŽ‰

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 47 points 16 hours ago

Not gonna be happy until he pleads guilty at the revolutionary tribunal.

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[-] iie@hexbear.net 39 points 15 hours ago

I’m looking for a good in-depth writeup on the strategic significance of Iran for the US, if anyone has any suggestions

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 26 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I am illiterate so I don't know what a writeup is, but Ben Norton made an excellent 1 hour video explaining the entire context. He breaks it down into 8 main reasons and explains why Trump bombed Iran:

  • Maintain US hegemony in West Asia (aka the Middle East)
  • Destroy the anti-colonial Axis of Resistance, making possible the total colonization of Palestine
  • Prevent Iran from ever developing nuclear capabilities
  • Overthrow or at least weaken Iran’s independent, revolutionary government
  • Scare other countries in the region that may seek to move away from the US and the dollar (especially the Gulf monarchies)
  • Preserve the petrodollar system, ensuring global demand for the US dollar
  • Destabilize BRICS and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, divide the Global South, and disrupt the multipolar project
  • Break up the Iran-Russia-China partnership, with the ultimate goal of isolating Beijing

So, answering your previous question in the thread, he thinks it's both about oil and geo-strategy. Both are incredibly relevant here and are inseparable to the essence of the conflict.

edit: Linked it in a comment below, but I'll link it again. Here's the Brookings Institute's Which Path to Persia? which explains exactly why and how the US should engage with Iran to protect imperialist interests.

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[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 60 points 17 hours ago
[-] OptimusSubprime@hexbear.net 28 points 14 hours ago

Time is a flat fucking circle. https://www.npr.org/2007/04/20/9688222/jesting-mccain-sings-bomb-bomb-bomb-iran

It was John McCain (noted "enemy" of Trump) who called for bombing Iran and doing this depraved shit 1st. Now Trump is doing McCain's bidding.

[-] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 28 points 14 hours ago

What is the post? Not clicking a hitler dot com link

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 27 points 14 hours ago

bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb iran

[-] Kuori@hexbear.net 12 points 12 hours ago

this is fucking demonic

[-] SupFBI@hexbear.net 31 points 16 hours ago

Every time I see this aircraft I think of operation paperclip. Nazi looking flying wing ass of a plane.

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[-] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 71 points 18 hours ago

So Israel will be resupplied with intercept missiles, return all focus to the genocide, and all of this will have been for nothing. Wonderful.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

So Israel will be resupplied with intercept missiles,

Worth noting that the US industrial capacity can make 50 of these per year.

Given the speed of things lately I have absolutely no doubt that they will still be dangerously low on them by the next time they're needed. This is their manufacturing under good conditions too, currently China will not give the US rare earth minerals.

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[-] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 30 points 15 hours ago

Iran only got directly involved because Israel fucked with them first. The Iranian government didn't retaliate to address the genocide.

[-] NewDark@hexbear.net 10 points 12 hours ago

Also worth noting Israel actually took some hits. The veneer of invulnerablity has fallen off and some settlers are going to run, aiding to the death spiral. It's not enough but not nothing.

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