Germany urges Apple and Google to remove DeepSeek from app stores over EU privacy concerns (alternativeto.net)

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[-] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 22 hours ago

Genuine question; what’s the difference between DeepSeek gathering data and for example ChatGPT or Gemini?

Three of them are (I assume) great for usage but disastrous regard privacy and data.

[-] RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

AFAIK per EU law the collected data has to stay in data centers in the EU, ChatGPT and Gemini at least pretend to conform while Deepseek explicitly states that the data is stored in Chinese data centers.

[-] huf@hexbear.net 6 points 6 hours ago

chatgpt and gemini gather data for the US govt, which is the one actively fucking europe over at the moment. so clearly, deepseek is what they need to worry about.

[-] kionite231@lemmy.ca 52 points 22 hours ago

Genuine question; what’s the difference between DeepSeek gathering data and for example ChatGPT or Gemini?

because China bad and USA good :(

[+] comrade_twisty@feddit.org -23 points 21 hours ago

I mean we can generally agree that China is worse. That doesn’t mean we should willingly donate our data to the US, but if you have to choose between amputating your foot or your little toe it’s an easy decision.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 38 points 21 hours ago

I mean we can generally agree that China is worse.

Can we? Which country had open sourced it's models and weightings so that the LLM can be run locally and spyfree?

[+] HelloRoot@lemy.lol -9 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

France, Mistral. There are also many others in US and worldwide.

China is worse when comparing many other factors, but if ALL you care about is whether the model weights are os, then it is usually not decided by countries, but rather companies.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 11 points 19 hours ago

There are also many others in US and worldwide.

We are comparing chatGPT and Deepseek.

China is worse when comparing many other factors

Again, not an opinion everyone agrees on. And this very much depends on which factors are cherry picked.

but if ALL you care about is whether the model weights are os,

If you want privacy then you need to run locally, and to run locally all you do care about is model weights.

then it is usually not decided by countries, but rather companies.

Not sure why this dimension is worth adding to the discussion.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org -4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

We are comparing chatGPT and Deepseek.

You asked "which countries".

not an opinion everyone agrees on.

Only people who don't have their heads buried in the sand. You can't possibly believe China is not much much worse than the US. I literally don't believe you. You're a bot or a paid actor.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

You asked "which countries".

Countries and LLM model providers associated with those countries.

All openai data goes to the NSA
Online deepseek data goes to the CCP. Local models stay private.

You can't possibly believe China is not much much worse than the US.

When it comes to AI models, China is streets ahead in openness.

But if you are introducing other factors, ask an Iranian what they prefer; money from China or bombs from the US and vassal states?

The only people believing that Americans are superior in everything are Americans.

[-] Ilandar@lemmy.today -3 points 7 hours ago

We are comparing chatGPT and Deepseek.

Then why are you asking binary questions about countries? Meta released open source models and weights way before DeepSeek, but I guess that wouldn't fit into your "China is better" narrative so we'll just pretend Llama never happened.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago

Then why are you asking binary questions about countries

Because a highly opinionated binary statement was made about China. I'm not saying China is better than the US. I'm saying it's not worse.

[-] gaylord_fartmaster@lemmy.world -1 points 20 hours ago

I run deepseek locally so obviously I appreciate that they made that decision, but let's not pretend that something can't be given away for free with bad intentions. People running LLMs locally are a drop in the bucket compared to people just downloading an app.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 26 points 20 hours ago

I mean we can generally agree that China is worse.

We cannot agree, “comrade.”

[-] m532@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 14 hours ago

We? More like we...stern imperialists

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 7 points 20 hours ago

US oligarchs have serious sway within EU and Germany in particular. They get their way.

[-] stink@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 22 hours ago

Yes but you see a white man having control of your data is much better than a colored one!

[-] MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago

They can pretty easily just pass a law banning it and Apple and Google will remove it from the German app store

[-] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 24 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

This is just xenophobia and political posturing, actual policy is too much to ask.

[-] kionite231@lemmy.ca 11 points 22 hours ago

but why? there is not valid reason to remove only DeepSeek, they should remove AI all together including Gemini and ChatGPT

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 22 hours ago

It's a cold war thing

[-] MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Okay, then tell them that. I’m just saying urging is stupid. Lawmakers can make laws.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 8 points 20 hours ago

Everyone here knows that not how policy is made.

US corpos tell EU what they need, EU does it. China does not have such sway with EU with some exceptions.

Your regime whore politician would not take a piss on you, if you were on fire.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago

Germany’s going hard right again. Severe crackdowns on civil rights are escalating. They’re arresting people for posting criticism of political efforts online, ramping up their military, pushing far-right politicians into office, etc.

Time to eradicate the Nazis again.

[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 5 points 18 hours ago

I'm from Spain, we also have problems with nazis, but not so as in Germany, but our left gov has a hard time with these hooligans.

[-] far_university1990@reddthat.com 6 points 21 hours ago

Bist du dumm oder sowas?

[-] KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

Cope lol

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 20 hours ago

ramping up their military

Naive take on this point tbh... Germany is being forced by its allies to do its share for the alliance. I am sure Germany's nazi nepo baby leadership would rather be buying Russian gas right now to drive its industrial base but geopolitics are a bitch lol

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

thank you for gracing us with an example of how a thirteen year old understands the world

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 53 minutes ago

Cute

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