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[-] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 31 points 6 days ago

$37TRILLION BEFORE or AFTER Trump's BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL THAT ADDS TRILLIONS TO OUR DEBT WHILE ELIMINATING MEDICAID AND MEDICARE!

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 27 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yes.

USD Index

Edit: Replaced USD to EUR with USD Index for clarification

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

United States doesn’t buy USD using Euro, they do it with adding account balances on computers.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

90% of the strength of the USD comes from global savings and investments.

When national debt increases, the bond market is incentivized. The bond and stock markets have an inverse relationship, creating a bear market for investors, and deflating the USD internationally.

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 3 points 6 days ago

Deflating USD internationally is good for exports though and that seems to be in line with what Trump is promising, no?

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

Sure, if we’d already have shifted to a manufacturing economy. We’re still substantially dependent on imports. A weaker dollar means more expensive goods for consumers, on top of the import tariffs.

[-] saltesc@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

We’re still substantially dependent on imports.

Don't forget the low unemployment rate combined with deportations.

Trump expecting magical manufacturing elves to appear in magical workshops and start making toys for Xmas.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

With all of the current layoffs in logistics, there will be plenty of skilled and unskilled employees looking for work.

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Sure, just saying that it’s not black and white. Economics and fiscal policy have been drenched in political ideologies but they’re just tools. Some people might think that if they had well paying manufacturing jobs they’d be afford to buy that expensive domestically produced stuff. American fiscal policy since the 70s has thrown people in manufacturing under the bus (under the guidance of both parties) so it’s natural there’d be some knee-jerk reaction in form of Trump eventually.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

There are very few small businesses in manufacturing. Creating jobs in unskilled labor is far from helpful to our working class. Most of the prosperity from such a shift will go to corporations and shareholders, while the increased cost of imported goods falls squarely on the working class.

Even if it ‘works,’ it doesn’t work for 95% of us.

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 days ago

Dunno, the most prosperous time for the US was when it was manufacturing things. Probably has something to do with 90% tax rate on the wealthiest though too. Either way, neoliberalism taught people that they can only count on themselves so if some people voted against status quo it could have been that things weren’t that good for them.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yup. It absolutely does have to do with the taxation of the wealthy. We were also leading manufacturing in the late 19th century, when the Robber Barons owned everything while the working class suffered.

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 days ago

That’s one part of the equation. The other is that for a currency to be viable for global trade you have to kill your domestic production, British Empire did something similar around 1840 (although it was agriculture then). There may yet be some unexpected benefits to US downscaling from a global power to a regional one. Whomever steps up to take this role will face similar dilemmas and compromises that those empires had to.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

To an extent. The US pulls additional leverage with USAID and unwanted military intervention, and China is doing quite well in BRICS with an export heavy model.

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Not everything empire does is evil of course but the main takeaway to what Trump is doing is liberals crying about losing that empire and I have the smallest violin to play because US was not behaving responsibly in that role. In my country that US influence can be seen via US media selecting their chosen neoliberal party and going hard with supporting them, with ruinous results as expected. Too bad it’s done mostly via WB Discovery (USAID too but to a lesser extent) so that’s going to continue for the foreseeable future.

[-] Godric@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago

Republicans hold power, of course we're not worried. The abacus only gets broken out when Democrats are in office you silly goose

[-] badbytes@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

Just tax the poor more. 🤦‍♂️

[-] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 2 points 4 days ago

These poor guys can still afford iphones. Clearly there is more to tax.

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 7 points 6 days ago

I remember when japan went over 100% gdp and everyone held their breath. Its amazing how well this house of cards keeps on holding up despite it getting bigger and bigger. No one wants any of the others to fall because they know what will happens once the first domino falls.

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 6 points 6 days ago

Borrowing in an asset that you create at any desired amount (and allowed private entities to do so as well) seems fairly safe. Sleep safe, United Statians.

[-] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 days ago

That's the thing though--if they can create more at any time, why bother "borrowing" in the first place? Because of the debt, the government pays over a billion dollars every day on the interest on that loan.

It's not the economy I'm concerned about, it's channeling billions into the pockets of the wealthy through interest payments--billions that are paid by the working class.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 6 points 6 days ago

it's channeling billions into the pockets of the wealthy through interest payments

System is working as intended and the only solution is to quit being poor 🤡

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 days ago

That's the thing though--if they can create more at any time, why bother "borrowing" in the first place?

Tying up economies of debt issuer and debt holder seems to be the reason for the US. For debt holder it’s a fairly safe way to park money but also exert some power over US if they’re big enough. Realistically what Ben Bernake is saying in that interview is that you could replace one with the other depending on circumstances but that actually threatens capital holders hence why it’s not done like that.

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

We aren't going to be a nation for much longer so it doesn't matter that much

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