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[-] Lifecoach5000@lemmy.world 26 points 4 weeks ago

This doesn’t super surprise me. Driving should be taken more seriously. You’re controlling a 2 ton death machine and it shouldn’t be taken lightly.

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

We should be retaking driver tests every seven to ten years to keep our license.

Poorly designed roads, signage, and intersections cause a lot of accidents. Think on ramps that throw you into traffic, and off-ramps that want you to get over three lanes after exiting in order to turn right at your cross street.

Lack of traffic enforcement drives up insurance costs and reduces city revenues. Some states have cheaped out on the reflective paint used to stripe roads, so you can’t see lane dividers in the rain. More of that wonderful “deregulation” and people not wanting to pay taxes I guess.

It also doesn’t help that many states are getting rid of car inspections for some bizarre reason. Not great to avoid shit falling off of the car in front of you when you’re going 70 mph.

[-] Lifecoach5000@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah my state has gotten rid of inspections and it’s baffling to me.

[-] thejml@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 weeks ago

Mine has been arguing this point for a while. Apparently there wasn’t really a drop of issues here when they went into place, so they question the usefulness.

That said, they’re just done incorrectly in the first place. They are done by dealers/shops that lose money in doing them and are instead banking on charging you lots of money for problems they find and hope you get fixed with them. They need be done at an independent run spot with no interest in anything but safety and no way to be bought out.

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[-] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 4 points 4 weeks ago

it shouldn’t be taken lightly

Well, of course not. It's 2 tons!

I'll get out...

[-] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 weeks ago

Not gonna make much of a difference unless you take your mum with you.

[-] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 points 4 weeks ago

Ohhh!! Hahahahahajaj that was a good burn! Hahahahahahah

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 19 points 4 weeks ago

Cars are not designed to inflict harm. This cheap false equivalence tells us a lot.

[-] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago

Right. I can't ride my gun to work or the grocery store. I get that there's a lot of negatives associated with car culture, but it's a tool in a way that firearms are not.

[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 3 points 4 weeks ago

An automobile, at the end of the day, is a luxury item. A toy. Humanity existed for most of its history without cars, and even today, you can get to work or the grocery store without one. (Granted, often not easily, but that's only because we've made it difficult to get there any other way. But making it difficult was a deliberate policy choice designed to exclude poor people.) One could argue that the automobile is an anti-tool, as its use is making our lives materially worse (traffic violence, health impacts, pollution, ecosystem destruction, climate change, the burden on government and personal budgets), but that ignores a car's major function as a cultural identity marker, and for wealth signaling. We humans value that a lot. Consider, as but one common example, the enormous pickup truck used as a commuter vehicle, known as a pavement princess, bro-dozer, or gender-affirming vehicle.

In that way, they're exactly the same as firearms, which are most often today used as a cultural identity marker. (Often by the same people who drive a pavement princess, and in support of the same cultural identity.) Firearms are also also luxury toys in that people enjoy going to the firing range and blasting away hundreds of dollars for the enjoyment of it. But beyond that, the gun people have a pretty legit argument, too, that their firearms are tools used for hunting and self-defense. They are undeniably useful in certain contexts, and no substitute will do. One certainly wouldn't send mounted cavalry with sabers into war today.

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[-] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 weeks ago

Cars, roads, and car culture are inflicting harm though, even if it’s seen as a neutral tool by many

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

Lots of things cause harm while also doing good things. It's a balance.

The problem is when that balance skews more one way than another.

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[-] Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 weeks ago

Are you saying that OP is making a "cheap false equivalence"? They are commenting on news coverage, so I don't follow what you mean.

[-] breecher@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 weeks ago

Yes, OP is very much doing that. They are commenting on how they think that news coverage should do a false equivalence on those two things.

[-] wellheh@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 4 weeks ago

The graph didn't offer the conclusion- op did, and yes it's cheap

[-] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 3 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah, cars aren't even designed to kill people and they still do it just as much as guns. They're way too dangerous to be legal.

[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 weeks ago

That doesnt make any sense. Since card have other purposes than killing they can be legal.

Since guns only exist to kill they should not be legal. But it is a fight against wind mills since americans love their ability to kill who they want more than they love their kids.

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[-] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Neither of these topics should even be drawing media attention, considering how frequent and non-notable they are. They just report on this stuff every day because it's cheaper and easier than exclusively finding and reporting on real notable local news, and television news needs filler content for selling ad spots. Ever had a day where there was no news, and they ended early?

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 weeks ago

Road deaths are typically viewed as a risk we take while going about our day, while firearm deaths are either an intentional act, or someone doing something very stupid.

How many people drive a car daily in this area?

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah heart disease kills more than either but we don’t hold candlelight vigils to ban butter. Because food is a normal part of life. I know a lot of people grow up with guns, but to me, guns are weird. I don’t know anyone who owns a gun. Not that I know of anyway. I have never held a gun. I have never seen a gun, except strapped to a cop walking by. I hope to never touch a gun (or be touched by one).

[-] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 4 points 4 weeks ago

Nobody should grow up in car culture either. It's not safe for kids to be surrounded by Death Zones. It leads to kids either being kept inside all day and getting brain atrophy, or dying on the road. Not to mention all the asthma. Raising a child in a car neighbourhood is abuse.

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 weeks ago

I've used firearms before, including doing smallbore shooting, it can be a lot of fun.

But they're also a massive responsibility, and I don't plan to actually own one.

[-] Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 weeks ago

I mean, how many times have we seen news reports of people intentially driving into protesters? I do wish they had the leading cause of death for comparison tho. Probably cancer, looks like a low-estimate is 6000 people a year just in Chicago.

[-] sundray@lemmus.org 5 points 4 weeks ago

Fuck cars and guns, ban both.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 weeks ago

cars, like guns, should require a mental check and a license to even purchase and own, be kept in secure storage, and only used in highly regulated locations where safety is guaranteed.

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

If guns are so alike to cars, why not require a license that you get by passing a written test on gun safety and a practical test on basic competence and safe usage?

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[-] maxwells_daemon@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

Driving is orders of magnitude more likely to kill you at any second you're in a car, than flying is at any second you're in a plane.

People who are terrified of flying will get in a car and drive like a monkey like it's no big deal.

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 weeks ago

Phobias are, by definition, irrational.

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 2 points 4 weeks ago

They should fear neither. Orders of magnitude relative risk to a minute risk is still very little.

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[-] grueling_spool@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 weeks ago

One of these things is purpose-built for the deliberate infliction of harm. The other is vastly more popular and merely causes harm through negligence.

Sort of like the American political parties, I guess

[-] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I think the math works out that each year the average American has roughly 1 in 10,000 chance of dying in a car crash and a 1 in 200 chance of being injured in a car crash (Though the second stat likely leaves out a lot of unreported injuries). The average American rolls those dice once a year, so plan to live til 75? 1 in 133 chance that you die in a car crash, >1 in 3 chance you're injured in a car crash at some point.

I've known two people who died in car crashes, and at least several dozen who were injured in crashes including several really gnarly pedestrian bystander injuries. And I'm barely middle aged.

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

That is a pretty high number of shootings then. Practically everyone drives so that is a lot of miles/person. You have to drive, you don't have to be shot, that is why it draws media attention.

[-] rolling_resistance@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

Traffic engineers use decades-old manuals that ignore safety in favour of driver convenience. This has to change. Streets built by them are a huge public safety issue.

We should never accept crashes that result in serious injuries or deaths as if they are an inevitable force of nature or something. They're merely a predictable outcome of a badly built system.

[-] elvis_depresley@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I guess it's because one of these things is a widely used tool, a requirement for work / living in the USA and gives people freedom.

The other is just car.

[-] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 2 points 4 weeks ago

This is especially surprising to me because Chicago is one of the few US cities with decent public transportation, so there's a significant percentage of people that aren't driving.

[-] radix@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

Dumb question: which one draws more media attention in Chicago?

In my own experience (not Chicago), the local news is dominated by where the rush-hour crash is today, while national news talks way more about gun deaths.

I'm going to go with the general vibe of Lemmy here and assume you mean that auto deaths need to get more attention in America. To that I would say there is a general cultural attitude that cars are a necessary evil (even among most people who don't outright love them, which is a huge demographic), and fixing the zoning and infrastructure would take decades and many tens of billions of dollars to restructure a large city around public transit. Besides bumper-sticker-slogan politics ("more public transit!") there are precious few real, concrete plans for getting from the current situation to the car-free utopia.

Even then, you'd not eliminate cars entirely. Among the more developed western European nations that are known for good public transit, Ireland seems (at a quick glance) to have the fewest cars per person at 536 per 1,000, while the car-happy US has 850/1,000. So best case, you reduce cars by ~35%.

Gun deaths, on the other hand, are easier to imagine as a problem that can be solved relatively quickly and with less disruption. From an advocacy point of view, it's the lower-hanging fruit.

[-] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 3 points 4 weeks ago

there are precious few real, concrete plans for getting from the current situation to the car-free utopia.

Ban cars today and let people figure it out themselves.

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