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Many abolitionists have complained to me that, as a traveling performer, I have not spoken to my audiences on the issue of slavery. I have received many angry letters attacking me based on assumptions about what my silence means.

Allow me to make my position clear: I oppose the institution of slavery. In the words of Thomas Jefferson, I believe it is a "moral depravity." I feel that way about other things as well.

After the raid on Harper's Ferry, the mood among Southern leaders was an existential panic and unstoppable lust for revenge. It reminded me of the Alamo. There was no reasoning with those leaders, nor could action be taken by congress. It would have required replacing most of congress and overturning decades of bipartisan negotiation and compromises. Even in the best case, it would have taken years.

But even worse, the abolitionist, pro-Negro movement quickly decided that their primary goal was not merely opposition to the reprisals or specifically cruel owners, but opposition to the entire institution of slavery, that is, opposition to the entire way of life of Southern plantation owners. And here they decided to draw the line between decent people and oppressive tyrants, which had the following consequences:

It shrunk the coalition. Most southerners support slavery. Anyone who supports the solution of having slave states and free states supports slavery.

It was politically infeasible. What is the pathway that takes us from the present situation to the abolition of slavery as an institution? I do not see how it could happen without a total collapse of the union. As usual, these Jacobins have championed a doomed cause.

The abolitionists have been distributing hundreds of pamphlets about the horrid conditions of slaves. The main effect of this has been to create a population of people in a constant state of bloodboiling rage with no consequential political outlet.

I fear this may be worse than useless. Yes, there are disingenuous proponents of slavery dismissing and censoring all criticism of slavery on the pretext of "states' rights." But there's also valid fear of historical government overreach and that fear gives power to pro-slavery leaders who say that only they can protect Southern culture.

Does this mean slavery should not be criticized? Absolutely not. But it's something I do not wish to contribute to unless if not outweighed by tangible benefits.

Many abolitionists have been single-mindedly focused on slavery, and the willingness of the Republicans to compromise on the issue, and that focus has had the following effects:

Not a single slave was freed by their efforts. Not one fewer lash was delivered by the owners.

It may have slightly contributed to the election of James Buchanan, ensuring that nothing can be done to stop the expansion of slavery into new states. Buchanan also does not support giving women like me the right to vote. A perfectly enlightened being would feel no bitterness about this, but I do.

None of this is the fault of slaves, of course, who are overwhelmingly the victims here.

But if women like me are ever going to get anywhere in this country, we need a broad movement that stands up for the rights of ALL women, REGARDLESS of their views on slavery.

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[-] vegeta1@hexbear.net 30 points 1 day ago

If liberals could please for the love of God stop making genocide about their feelings.

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 23 points 1 day ago

"Why do these rich fucking white people always insist on seeing every socio-political conflict through the myopic lens of their own self-actualization?"

[-] Des@hexbear.net 32 points 1 day ago

i'm ashamed i saw it on reddit first and didn't notice it came from here!

[-] mayakovsky@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago
[-] Red_sun_in_the_sky@hexbear.net 47 points 1 day ago

Finally some goddamn nuance in this godless world.

That john brown launched attack with no provocation whatsoever

[-] Vingst@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago

He was just a kid.

[-] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 23 points 1 day ago
[-] HunterBrandon@hexbear.net 48 points 1 day ago

There is less than 10 good posts on Hexbear and this is one of them

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 35 points 1 day ago

Nice to meet one of my fans. Truly, it was an honor to make the other 9.

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 34 points 1 day ago
[-] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 80 points 2 days ago

I find it strange a lot of her argument was, people can't have their minds changed when she basically became famous for changing people's minds. Like I remember the first time I saw her in some mainstream media article was because of her success of changing some incels and transphobes to the left.

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 94 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

liberals cannot fucking stand it when you stake out an obviously good and moral stance to their left because it forces them to drop the mask

[-] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 54 points 1 day ago

Facts. That's why they always have to play the "It's just not practical" card.

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 42 points 1 day ago

Liberalism is itself not practical (liberal ideology taken to the rational extreme of practicality and efficiency is just fascism) so the trick is to become selectively aware of the fact your worldview means nothing can ever change when people want to change something you like. I mean, seriously, apply her thought process to any political issue.

Trans rights in 2005? Oh, sorry, it's hopelessly impractical and because most women don't support trans rights we'd just be alienating them; we need to be practical and compromise with the transphobes so we can get things done.

Climate change? Degrowth and net zero is not a practical path, it's simply never gonna happen. Most car owners don't support mass transit so these utopian urbanist ideas are just shrinking the coalition. The left has once again chosen a doomed cause.

Socialism? Worker ownership of the means of production isn't realistic. Most shareholders and landlords just don't support taking their property away. The left needs to let go of these tangential issues that have no future.

[-] purpleworm@hexbear.net 19 points 1 day ago

Liberalism is itself not practical (liberal ideology taken to the rational extreme of practicality and efficiency is just fascism)

I think this is giving entirely too much credit to both liberalism and especially fascism. "Practicality" and "efficiency" both imply goals and evaluations of the worth of resources used to reach those goals. What are the goals? Who is doing the evaluating? These are questions that are, at best, hand-waved, but often entirely ignored.

Given the proper level of technological advancement, central planning is endlessly more practical and efficient than the anarchy of production under liberalism if your goal is broad societal welfare and not going through cyclical crises, and it is something that we should be pursuing.

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago

What I mean is that when capitalists need rapid accumulation of capital and not long term political stability, they opt for fascism. Colonialism and primitive accumulation are the mirrors of fascism, they're the aspect of capitalism that's found on its temporal (as in primitive accumulation as the pre-history of capitalism) and spatial (colonialism, imperialism, patriarchy) boundaries. When capital has a mandate to accumulate the largest amount of surplus value it can possibly get, with either low possibility of labor rising in the opposite direction (or a high risk, which paradoxically pushes capital in the same direction, to salvage what it can and destroy labor as much as possible), it resorts to abandon its human face.

[-] The_Grinch@hexbear.net 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's comfy in the center. You never have to defend any actual stance, because that's just the way things are. You need only poke holes in and minimize the arguments of anyone trying to change anything ever.

Is this the new megathread or is it just a mega thread

[-] Shaleesh@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago

A post so good that the mods put it on the fridge

[-] ComradeSpahija@hexbear.net 32 points 1 day ago

This is masterful xi-clap

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[-] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago

I'm sad that I don't know any IRL left Americans who I can send this to. This is solid.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 53 points 2 days ago
[-] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 30 points 1 day ago

Uhh James Buchanan because president in 1857 and the raid on Harper's Ferry was 59. The inconsistent timeline of this post makes it irrelevant.

Jk absolutely hilarious adaptation. Ancient historians didn't care about sequential ordering so I don't see what we need to.

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 25 points 1 day ago

You joke but I did look it up before. I really would've preferred to use the 1852 election because the Whigs were still a thing, less antislavery than the Republicans (and funnier), and Franklin Pierce was worse than Buchanan. But the only election after Harper's Ferry was Lincoln's, so I reduced the anachronism as much as I could, and tried to make the Buchanan thing tied to the general abolitionist movement as opposed to the raid.

I'll just call it... artistic licence doggirl-smug

[-] RedSailsFan@hexbear.net 53 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

admins need to pin this to the front page

edit: my wish has been granted. the report button is a powerful tool to get the admins to pin posts...

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 35 points 2 days ago

Holy shit, thanks. I'm so proud!

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago

ortega-clap A perfect post, well done

[-] PostyourJaggaHogs@hexbear.net 46 points 2 days ago

Quick someone post it to the Contra sub lmfao

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 34 points 2 days ago

I was gonna but I haven't logged into reddit-logo for years and I think I lost access to my account and I don't really want to make a new one. Anyone who can is welcome to do it.

[-] PostyourJaggaHogs@hexbear.net 52 points 2 days ago

Got removed by mods lol, your posting prowess too strong

[-] RedSailsFan@hexbear.net 47 points 2 days ago

post it to r/trueanon should do numbers there

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 32 points 2 days ago

And that's why I didn't want to bother making a whole account.

At least a mod saw it lol

[-] purpleworm@hexbear.net 43 points 2 days ago

Didn't emphasize her feelings enough, especially without the headings

(Very good post)

[-] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 21 points 2 days ago

*dies of cringe*

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[-] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 43 points 2 days ago

10/10 post, no notes. order-of-lenin

[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 37 points 2 days ago

order-of-lenin

Amazing. You absolutely nailed it. Ive seen enough Atun-Shei stuff on YouTube to be familiar with the writing style of guys during the Civil War and you got it spot on. There is a 'don't ' in the sixth paragraph which should be 'do not' and therefore isn't funny.

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 29 points 2 days ago

There is a 'don't ' in the sixth paragraph which should be 'do not' and therefore isn't funny.

oooaaaaaaauhhh

(Fixed)

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[-] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago

Pro tip: Read this with Ashokan farewell in the background

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[-] plinky@hexbear.net 27 points 2 days ago

Welcome back, new york crimes, circa 1860

[-] TheSpectreOfGay@hexbear.net 27 points 2 days ago

extremely good post

[-] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 26 points 2 days ago

Amazing 👏 Beautiful

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