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[-] zkfcfbzr@lemmy.world 53 points 3 months ago

It says you're bound by "opening and using" the product, rather than "opening or using". Have someone else open it for you. Then neither of you have done both.

[-] naught101@lemmy.world 37 points 3 months ago

Thus is the kind of legalistic bullshit interpretation I can get right behind

[-] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 months ago

Contractual malicious compliance let's go

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah but just to be clear, the terms are likely there for a reason and using this product probably has risks associated.

The only product I want to use with a liability waiver attached is the bungie cord at the fair.

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[-] SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world 44 points 3 months ago

Mandatory arbitration agreement for a protein shake or whatever it is. First it may not be enforceable. Second it makes me think that this product is not fit for consumption.

[-] buttnugget@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

I honestly think it’s just a ridiculous ploy and that the product is fine. We need a proper regulatory system instead of this junk. I do think it’s unenforceable though.

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[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 3 months ago

This is Vital Proteins brilliant response to being taken to court over heavy metal and "foreign materials" contamination in their products.

[-] Brunette6256@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Do you have any supporting links? I saw a reddit post saying something similar but I cant find a real article or support. Either way I am returning the product.

[-] athairmor@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/prop65/complaints/2017-02480C5316.pdf

Found searching ‘“vital proteins” lawsuit’

Sued by an environmental nonprofit for failing to warn about the presence of lead and heavy metals as required by CA law. They settled.

[-] expatriado@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Found searching ‘“vital proteins” lawsuit’

that's just cheating

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[-] antsu@lemmy.wtf 27 points 3 months ago

"By opening AND using this product (...)"

Have someone else open it for you, then consume the product yourself. Boom, no contract. Checkmate, lawyers!

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

hand it to a baby. it's like the cursed weapon loophole.

[-] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

And loose your right to claim the Amazon $5 gift card? You'll fold. Just like all the others.

[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

No way this is legally binding. It amounts to a bait and switch. A product was purchased and provided without agreement to any further terms. Then they sneak in supposed terms after the fact based upon the action of opening the product. That is a change in agreement made without any consideration for the purchaser. That's not generally allowed in contact law.

Furthermore, I really doubt that they can get away with the argument that the act of opening a product can constitute any amount of conscious agreement to some writing on a package. If for no other reason than that this is (afaik) a novel way to attempt to coerce agreement such that nobody would expect such an agreement to be part of the opening process and likely won't notice it.

And it's not accessible for every person who may be using this product even if they do notice the words. Are you a non-English speaker? Farsighted? Blind? Illiterate? Would you have any way to even be aware that those words are terms that somehow binding you to an agreement by virtue of your opening the thing you just bought? Would you have any reason to even suspect that that is the case?

Also, they'll undoubtedly claim that the fact that you have the opened product means that you agreed to the terms, but that is also not the case. Your mom opened it for you and wrapped it as a gift? You bought it secondhand? The packaging was torn open when it shipped to you and you never had any reason to see this text in the first place? It was misprinted? Any of those things and more would mean you never agreed to anything. And they have no way to prove any of those things weren't the case.

Just stupid. I have zero doubt that any number of lawyers would love take this to court and get that payday.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 5 points 3 months ago

All it does is prove to the purchaser that the fuckers don't trust the basic safety and fitness for use of their product. Spectacular self own.

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Absofuckinglutely

If I bought it and got home and found this, I'd return it as I have before. You're not trapping me into agreeing for anything without the notice on the OUTSIDE of the product packaging. Fuck this

[-] Bosht@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Plus it speaks volumes to the product itself. If they're trying to pull shit like this there's no way I'm trusting whatever they're trying to get me to put in my body.

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[-] MacStache@sopuli.xyz 19 points 3 months ago

Isn't that an illegally forced agreement? I mean, the consumer already bought the product and is forced to enter an agreement after the fact? At least it feels like it would be illegal.

It's the same with software, sure, but somehow I've been brainwashed into thinking it's ok because it's a digital product/I only agree to a license of said product.

[-] wieson@feddit.org 6 points 3 months ago

Def illégal in Germany. You can't force an arbitration agreement.

[-] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If this is in the US you are 1 year away before companies can run Squid Games, "illegally forced agreement" is a thing of the past

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[-] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

Time to use the box cutter and open it from the bottom.

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[-] Allero@lemmy.today 16 points 3 months ago

Add to this the fact they try to enforce mandatory arbitration - a thing that shouldn't ever exist to begin with, in any jurisdiction, and is actually unenforceable in many.

[-] lauha@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

In most of Europe, no contract can take away legal rights

[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Same in the USA, but that doesn't mean they won't try.

[-] musky_occultist@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

I'm pretty sure forced arbitration is in fact legal and enforceable in the US (at least for the most part? I am not a lawyer)

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Unfortunately, the US doesn't yet consider that a legal right. Sadly, courts take the position that if you don't agree with the terms, don't buy the product. Even in the cases where you couldn't access the terms ahead of the sale.

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[-] LifeOfChance@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

So when my underage child opens this what's the plan? Clearly theyre not old enough to enter into an "legally" binding agreement, right?

[-] thrawn@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Vital Proteins got bought out by Nestle and almost immediately turned to shit iirc

[-] Tail11@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

I didn't know this—time to shop for a new collagen supplement.

[-] Part4@infosec.pub 10 points 3 months ago

Is there a bigger red flag than a message on it saying 'if you break this seal you can't sue us!'

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[-] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

There's an easy solution: keep buying it, break the seal to get to the message, then return it. Have your friends do the same, at the same store. Pretty soon that product will be gone and you can move on to the next store.

If the store starts to bitch about it, you can claim that you wanted to see if the statement had been removed.

[-] Tetragrade@leminal.space 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

By reading this comment, you agree to be bound eternally in thrall to me, and wear a maid dress for my amusement.

[-] answersplease77@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Ugh damn it man. okay pm me your address

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[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Forced Arbitration should be illegal everywhere.

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[-] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 months ago

Write on the money you used to purchase this by accepting this money you agree to the terms of service...

Eat shit turdblossoms.

[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago
[-] Zanz@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 months ago

Lg tried it on refrigerators, even though refrigerators are not delivered in boxes.So the customer never receives them. The delayed or denied every warranty claim on their stupid 2 stage refrigerant pump, then said since the customer opened the box with the terms agreement that they couldn't sue. It took more than a year to resolve just that there could be a class action lawsuit against LG.

[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

I'm gonna need some good news soon. This dystopia just keeps getting worse and worse.

[-] Unbecredible@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

The good news is that these things pass, buddy. All things pass, and it's almost over really. This economy, this president, they won't last forever. This country, this current set of land masses, this current set of planets. It's all gonna just...pass. Gonna be just one drop in a lake of space and an ocean of time. Gonna be pressed into a microscopic crease in the fabric of a spacetime already contorted by titanic folds of incomprehensible number and arrangement. Until it can hardly be said to have happened at all.

[-] LoreleiSankTheShip@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

Everything ends, nothing matters. Be happy for the little things and don't screw it up for others

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

The good news is you can choose to save your unborn children the pain of existence on planet earth.

Get a vasectomy. For them.

[-] Landless2029@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

I had one of these fridges. The pumps even got an extended warranty since they failed so often. Mine died on year 6 of the 5 year standard MFG and it still got fixed for free because of the class action lawsuit.

I learned about the lawsuit after the fact too.

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[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 months ago

Ah! that one of the worst parts of the internet, and they've figured out a way to make it real.

At least they mention the arbitration upfront, I guess.

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago

Would love to see them try and enforce whatever EULA they wrote up.

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