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[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 22 points 2 weeks ago

We can blame the religious organisation as much as we want, but the fundamental problem here is payment processors. They should be common carriers. Content-neutral middlemen who facilitate payment to anything that isn't literally unlawful. This is no different to an ISP throttling access to Netflix because they operate their own streaming platform. If the storefront, the developer, and the buyer are all ok with a transaction, there's no good reason for a fourth party to stand in the way of that.

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, payment processing is among the many many many industries that ought to be nationalized so they can be administered in a transparent and democratic manner (see also, healthcare education housing electricity internet etc.)

There's just too much opportunity to use it to manipulate markets and oppress minority viewpoints for it to remain in private hands imo

[-] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Putting the ridicoulous idea that governments are fair and transparent aside, payment processors need to be international. Otherwise, most countries will not be able to access services because their local payment processor is not supported by smaller websites.

However, the payment processors should be regulated with something similar to net neutrality so they can't discriminate payments. And EU could probably launch a government run competitor to dilute their duopoly.

[-] chunes@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

To me it's insane that food also isn't on that list. Anything that isn't a luxury can't be trusted to be handled by capitalism.

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[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe the idea of BTC was fine. What wasn't fine is the idea of mining.

And maybe payments over the Internet or over PSTN are fundamentally different from messaging, conferencing, downloading files, all that stuff.

But what's important is the ability to pay for a service with something resembling cash IRL in the sense that an ATM machine from which you took that cash can't take it back because you are paying for an adult journal with it.

But at the same time how can there be so few payment processors that they can affect a platform's decision to do a kind of business?

That's where we should look. Why is it hard to be a payment processor.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 2 weeks ago

Payment processing should be treated like a utility.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

That "treated like a utility" approach involves reliance upon the state, which is sometimes controlled by the hostile parties. This is what I don't like in Internet political discussions, such solutions feel as if they assumed that you make it good once and it remains good.

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[-] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

No grasshopper, the blame falls squarely on the former. The latter was fine with things before

But we DO need to solve the payment processor issue as well, ever heard of GNU-Taler ??

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[-] Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago
Collective shout finacials
year: 2024
revenue: 458043
employee_expenses: 107000
other_expenses: 215488
net_surplus: 135555
employees: 
  total_fte: 2
  full_time: 0
  part_time: 1
  casual: 4
volunteers: 15
donations_and_bequests: 389800
government_grants: 0
commercial_income: 0
expense_to_revenue_ratio: "70.4%"
average_expense_per_employee: 39400

Leadership
- name: Melinda Tankard Reist
  role: Founder, Movement Director
  public_socials:
    - Twitter: @MelTankardReist
    - Instagram: @collective.shout
  public_email_address: Not publicly listed
  salary: Not publicly listed

- name: Caitlin Roper
  role: Campaigns Manager
  public_socials:
    - Instagram: @collective.shout
  public_email_address: Not publicly listed
  salary: Not publicly listed

- name: Renee Chopping
  role: Campaigns Strategy
  public_socials:
    - LinkedIn
  public_email_address: r******@collectiveshout.org
  salary: Not publicly listed

- name: Lyn Swanson Kennedy
  role: Campaigns Strategy
  public_socials:
    - Instagram: @collective.shout
  public_email_address: Not publicly listed
  salary: Not publicly listed

- name: Coralie Alison
  role: Movement Operations Manager
  public_socials:
    - Twitter: @CoralieAlison
    - Instagram: @collective.shout
  public_email_address: Not publicly listed
  salary: Not publicly listed

Fuck.

These.

Fucking.

Shitsucking

Subhuman

Leeches

[-] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 weeks ago

Payment processors and financial institutions sure do seem to hold disproportionate amounts of power.

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 weeks ago

And a single woman and her organization seems to hold a disproportionate amount of power over the payment processors.

I don't understand it. Payment processors could easily tell her to pound sand, but they don't.

[-] cashsky@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

And they don't care when it's actual sex trafficking of minors (JP Morgan in relation to Epstein).

[-] liuther9@feddit.nl 1 points 2 weeks ago

This is just a distraction

[-] RedStrider@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Damn guess we'll need to move to the alternative- ah wait- no- itch was the alternative.


I wonder if a federated game platform would work as an idea or if that's just an inherently bad idea due to the nature of trusting strangers with your money.

[-] rickrolled767@ttrpg.network 4 points 2 weeks ago

Still wouldn't address the root problem here: payment processing companies have the power to just deny payment from even happening.

Unless you're referring to making a federated platform that instead allows devs to connect with buyers and make transactions off channel.

Would limit widespread issues like this but now you're opening a whole new can of worms with trust

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[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

It's the same religious organization that went after them NSFW games on Steam. Like the games or not, it's always a slippery slope with this kind of censorship.

[-] tonytins@pawb.social 4 points 2 weeks ago

Of course it would be the bible thumpers. Gotta stick their nose into everyone's business.

[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago

The fact that they've been successful at censoring stuff is a problem. It will likely embolden them to do worse.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

Not just successful. But praised.

Even on Lemmy, if you go check out the initial threads on the Steam censorship you'll see lots of "It is just incest and furry shit. Of course that should be banned" style comments. Less so here, but plenty of other boards and influencers immediately then chimed in that porn addiction is the real problem and you should watch a stream of a nice bigoted white man rather than give in to it and blah blah blah.

And it didn't even start there. It ALSO isn't the start, but the attack on Pornhub a few years back was a big watershed moment where this exact same attack was used (pressure the credit card companies to not do business with a morally dubious site). On the surface? Pornhub is full of revenge porn and child porn so it needs to be destroyed. No rational person would disagree with that... and everyone quietly ignored all the data showing that (and this was early 2020s...) facebook and twitter and instagram and so forth had MUCH more of both of those. But hey, Pornhub Corp complied and actually instituted some REALLY good policies that more or less equates to signed consent forms for every single performer. And... they were still on the shitlist. But everyone had stopped caring.

[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

If it's against your religion to play porn games, fine. Don't play them.

But fuck off if you think you can tell other people what not to play.

[-] MyDarkestTimeline01@ani.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

But that involves self regulation. And being able to resist temptation. And they'd just rather have temptation removed before they could encounter.

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[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yep. A fucking Australian group of Bible thumpers, specifically.

My biggest problem is, they banned with this method, all the games that are targeted for adults but not porn, or gore. Like they hate spicy food and banned all things that are not white rice and unseasoned chicken breast.

It was really hard to find deep philosophical games which are good and are not containing porn or gore, but targeted to adults. Now its imposaible. They have literraly no platform. Unlike the porn games, they have many aside from steam and itch.

[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Wow, I might actually have to stop using itch.io, is nowhere safe from the craziest anymore? I dont even make NSFW games, but bending the knee to dickheads over some overtly religious bullshit isnt gonna work for me.

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It wasn’t Itch.io’s fault, but the fact that payment processing has been globally monopolized and can force it’s own arbitrary will on anyone without recourse.

Blame Visa and MasterCard and the christofascist scum from Collective Shout, who is responsible for pressuring the processors into harming the stores and artists.

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Agreed. Game and movie ratings already exist, who the fuck are they to say what we can/can't access with MY credit card.

I don't play those games nor use itch.io, but fuck this nonsense.

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[-] mesamunefire@piefed.social 4 points 2 weeks ago

Wonder how long it will take for them to start going after LGBT+ stuff. Hope I'm wrong.

[-] dinckelman@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I would understand forcibly banning/removing something, if it poses a real existential threat to the majority of people.

But religion fueled bigotry, in a place where you can CHOOSE to buy and play something, or completely ignore and hide if you’d like? Come on. Adults can decide if they want to have access to this content on their own, without a completely unrelated third party constantly trying to fucking inject themselves in between

[-] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

But think of the children!

[-] rustyfish@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Those are Christians. They are widely known for that.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

It's not difficult to imagine what kind of expression these groups might decide to deem as unacceptable next.

Literally the bottom line. They have found something that works, and they are going to use and abuse it.

[-] madjo@feddit.nl 2 points 2 weeks ago

Puritans are going to destroy the world.

[-] simple@piefed.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

Direct link to their statement rather than reading an article talking about it: https://itch.io/updates/update-on-nsfw-content

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

rather than reading an article talking about it

Good as a supplement, but the RPS article gives context itch.io is too much of a cowardly little bitch to include like: "Collective Shout describe themselves as a "grassroots campaigns movement against the objectification of women and the sexualisation of girls", but are associated with outspokenly homophobic and anti-abortion Christian conservative groups, according to a now-deleted Vice article."

Edit: and yes, the Vice article was removed because Vice's ownership bitched out over covering Collective Shout.

[-] bassomitron@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Edit: and yes, the Vice article was removed because Vice's ownership bitched out over covering Collective Shout.

Wow, holy shit. How fucking far Vice has fallen. There was a time they would go the extra mile to cover wild shit that no one else was doing. Greed and the wealthy's critical need to have control over the media ruins everything.

[-] gressen@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

I'm just learning about this and I wonder what has Steam done in this case to protect my rights as their client.

[-] baronvonj@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Uh ... Steam actually did this same thing before Itch did.

[-] gressen@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

That is exactly why I'm asking.

[-] emmy67@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Ah fuck their board head is Australian. FFS

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