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That's why my email provider is in Norway and not Switzerland. Norway has much stronger privacy laws.
First time I hear about them, how long have you been using their service?
A good 10 years. I've had zero issues, with my account or my family members'.
Thanks
What? Police can "subpoena" whatever the fuck they want. ISPs must log and keep them for years. Will share with allied intelligence services and Interpol. Never thought of Norwegian privacy laws as particularly strong..
The article states that Proton plans to move certain (AI) data centers to Germany and Norway, as they seemed those the most sensitive. I can imagine if these laws/policies are enacted, they would look to move all services.
Well, Proton can move wherever they want and be as good as they what, I'll never be a customer again because of what their fuckhead CEO Andy Yen said.
I don't care that he's backpedaled, I don't care that Andy Yen isn't Proton-the-company, and I'm even willing to accept it was a very unfortunate duh moment on his part. Here the thing: I don't have many ways as a nobody to get back at Trump, but one way is to not give any of my money to anybody who enabled him, even by mistake.
So Proton is on my shitlist forever thanks to Yen.
Yeah sure, I was just speaking to your statement regarding privacy laws. Yen's statement (and beliefs) are an extremely unfortunate inconvenience.
Lmao this would be a great bit if you weren't serious.
I think the reason is not sensitivity, but that it's less risky to move a very new, niche service if they fuck it up somehow. as I understood their announcement they may move other services too later on
Yeah right, so much better to have your e-mails stored in clear text. With E2EE, I don’t give any fucks about local laws. My data stays my data.
Doesn't proton's e2ee only work if you're emailing with another proton user?
Protons' copy is always encrypted. E2EE doesn't apply when the recipient is on an external mail server (unless you explicitly encrypt it with their public PGP key).
This still provides the major benefit of encrypting your email archive, and protection from data breach.
Or from Police forcing them to provide data. Because all they can provide is encrypted data.
I'm not well versed in encryption, can't they just decrypt them at will? When I use their webmail I just login, I don't provide any decryption pass
Yes you do, the data is encrypted with your password
In that case, even if they don't have your password right now, they just need to wait until you log in the next time.
Oh, thanks for making me aware of this. I've never heard of them despite living in Norway
Shows that the only true end to end encryption is when the sender and recipient do the encrypting/decrypting locally. Even then, it requires both ends not to be compromised.
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