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I downvoted maybe 3 posts for being "unwise", but I guess that's not allowed. Looked up the mod and they banned a wave of people, all for "...". Good stuff.

This "banned for using the functions of the website" shit is really getting out of hand. Unless it's unequivocal support for every post, you're out. It's ridiculous out here.

Also! We still can't block communities we've been banned from? Wtf?

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[-] r4venw@sh.itjust.works 66 points 2 days ago

Downvoting aside, not actually giving a reason for a ban is really stupid and comes across as being done in bad faith, imo. That alone makes this feel unjust to me.

Regarding downvotes, can someone explain to me why it's bad or wrong? I've posted my drawings before and they were downvoted. While that stung a little, isn't this just the nature of the internet?

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 10 points 2 days ago

There are bot accounts who will down vote everything either specific user or community.

That's how it started but like everything else we got zealots doing a witch hunt because modding is just pre text for censorship

Fedi doesn't get enough bad behaviour so they are harassing random people

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I've been banned from a community that I wasn't part of just because, while browsing /all, a post with some stupid take came up and I downvoted it. I rarely downvote and I only do when it's really an awful take or harmful content but apparently, the mod didn't like that.

The smell of freedom can be felt from miles when a sub includes a rule of "no downvoting"

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago

A long time ago I downvoted a bunch of posts from a person spamming and got banned from a half dozen unrelated communities for being a "mass downvoter"

Technically true, I've probably downvoted more posts than upvoted. But to ban someone for using fediverse features as designed? I dunno

I'm not a serial downvoter. I maybe downvote around 10% of what I upvote, and that's considering that I regularly browse /all and find spam that I downvote and report, so I wouldn't call myself a "mass downvoter". It was also the first (and only) time I downvoted in that community. Some mods really don't like disent. But it's fine, I only found out because I went to the modlog to check something else and found out that I was banned. I suppose if I didn't even notice that I was banned, it means I'll be able to survive the experience.

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Oh I'm with you, I was just adding an anecdote to back up your point. Those mods should just migrate their communities to an instance without downvoted if they're so sensitive about them

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[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 38 points 2 days ago

Only toxic positivity in the building!

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[-] SheeEttin@lemmy.zip 25 points 2 days ago

PTB. If that's their position, they should be using an instance that disables downvotes.

[-] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's worse than that. The community is one where voting, either up or down, is the primary intended form of interaction. Well, at least that's what they say.

Edit: Ah, actually, maybe I misunderstood that. I read the message that each post has and took it as voting voting, but it could mean text voting.

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[-] silasmariner@programming.dev 9 points 2 days ago

Hhmmmm yeas. Very wise.

[-] ThorrJo@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 2 days ago

Also! We still can't block communities we've been banned from? Wtf?

The more I use this software the more problems I see, not surprising given the developers. Hopefully Piefed can keep up with quality control over time.

[-] remon@ani.social 37 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You can block communities you're banned from, just not from the sidebar.

But if you go to your settings -> blocks you can add it.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 12 points 2 days ago

Thanks for pointing this out!

[-] nutomic@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Its the first time Im hearing about this problem. If no one reports it on the issue tracker we cant fix it.

Edit: You can block a community that banned you under /settings, but not directly on the community page. Issue link

[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago

Didn't piefed came with built-in echo chamber features, hiding downvoted comments by default and marking people who get downvotes with special marks?

I think in that scenario bans because downvoting patterns would be far more aggressive

[-] OpenStars@piefed.social 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yes, and maybe, plus no.

When individual users have more tools to work with, the mods don't have to be as authoritarian. e.g. if a bunch of people complain to a mod of a European community that there are too many posts mentioning Donald Trump and Elon Musk, then with PieFed the individual users can use the keyword filtering tools to tailor their personal view of the shared community content to accomplish that end (best of all there, the options include not only All and None but to filter Some of the content).

Another example is that by labeling highly contentious users, e.g. those who receive >10x more downvotes than upvotes, the users themselves can make the choice as to whether to engage or simply keep scrolling, i.e. providing additional options beyond simply block vs. allow. People that would otherwise be blocked will likely have their content be more exposed rather than less using this tool - or at least that's one possiblity, which Lemmy did not allow or provide for (offering only Block vs. not, with nothing whatsoever in-between).

Still another example are people who post 10x more often than comment - a potential unregistered bot account, where I guess commenting on their posts could be a waste of time if many people block that account and thus a reply on those posts is unlikely to ever be seen by an actual human?

And still another example is new accounts, less than a couple weeks old, so that your reply may be different to them than an established user.

Yes PieFed can also automatically collapse or hide content based on downvotes received. I have these features turned off but if someone wants them on, then such a person might be better off to use them, rather than feel tempted to downvote or comment on such controversial content? (Edit: imagine a world where instead of comments like "this take is disgusting, you should be ashamed of yourself for not thinking precisely as I personally do myself!", those who don't want to see such things do not have to, while those that do can have a genuine back-and-forth discussion without such noise. Good fences make good neighbors? This seems the polar opposite of an echo chamber where everyone simply MUST view the same content in one of the same identical manner of options provided, because those are the only options that the developers have deigned to allow for.)

A CRUCIAL difference here is that all of these features above are implemented at the level of individual users, making their own personal choices about what they want to see or not see. Lemmy mainly provides features to instance admins and community mods, but by shifting the choices downwards to the user level, it's a whole new era in content management, having democratized the process, or at least allowing more for that, rather than leaving all the capabilities - along with all the responsibilities - in the hands of the authority figures higher up in the hierarchy?

I will leave it as an exercise to prove whether putting power into the hands of the people rather than concentrating it into the hands of a few is "good" or not (my personal opinion is that it's great!), but objectively PieFed seems to offer far more "freedom" to end-users than Lemmy, as I understand it. (Edit: I guess I am saying that if Lemmy is akin to Windows where Big Daddy is always right, not only but especially when he is wrong:-P, because that is simply the only option made available to people - to either stay or go, fully block or fully allow, nothing in-between is provided for - then PieFed is Linux leaving it up to the user to decide individually what is right for them, by tailoring their customization options to suit their desires. Yes that theoretically could lead to an echo chamber where everyone must use a wide variety of flavors of Linux, in which case yes some could make the "wrong" choice - although I would argue there, why is it wrong if that is what they desire? - but don't forget that the alternative is somehow even more of an echo chamber where everyone must use Windows, so I for one don't see the addition of these new features as a bad thing? I suppose time will tell.)

[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago

It's not about who have the power. There are still mods on piefed with all the same power as lemmy mods.

But with the downvoting penalty people get an opportunity to banish people they do not agree with to the shadow realm in a way that's not possible in Lemmy. It's not the power of the people it's the power of a furious mob against anyone out of the mob.

You say "hideous user" I say any user who disagrees on the slightest with the mob ideas. And as the echo chamber closes smaller and smaller divergences will get punished until people will literally just be an echo of the allowed discourse.

I do think those piefed feature are a great mistake. People still have all the power via blocking users or instances here. But the "extra power" to the people is not really that, is just a net of authoritarianism in disguise. Heavy punishments to anyone disagreeing with authority, it doesn't matter that much if authority comes from a King, an aristocracy or a Soviet (assembly of people) it's still authoritarianism. And that's what I think will happen with any piefed instance that enables these features.

We all know that no only "hideous users" get downvoted, and that "hideous users" not always get downvoted. We all know that even the platform says to not use the downvote as a "I disagree button" people use it for this.

I'm more on the opposite side of the spectrum on this matter. And more and more I think it's better to completely get rid of the downvote button. If you really don't like something block it for you, there's no need for people to have tools that greatly affect other people. For instance if you downvoted some comment of a third user and that comment gets hidden. I may like that comment but now I don't see it because you were given a tool that gives you power over me. A tool like that is great for majorities to oppress minorities. As part of several minorities I've always been wary of those.

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[-] Saleh@feddit.org 7 points 2 days ago

I think you are overlooking some aspects here.

First of all, the auto-hiding as a user setting still encourages malicious users to systematically downvote communities or other users they don't like. One could see, why it does encourage it even more.

The problem is that people who have that feature turned on to filter out trolls simply never see that it is happening and a post like here, where the affected user might seek help from the larger community won't reach that larger community as it will be filtered by default.

Also on lemmy you can block individual users, so there is no qualitative difference for you individually if you find a particular user annoying. The only difference is that you have to click the dotted menu and block manually. I'd say this is the better approach than to tune metrics based on up-/downvote numbers and ratios.

However if Piefed also used Upvotes/Downvotes as a metric for how likely it will push a post into the "all" of users, systematic downvoting still affects communities negatively. So community moderators from that perspective maintain the same interest to act against systematic downvoting.

I really don't see how the things you describe for Piefed would change how Mods react to what they perceive as systematic downvoting.

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[-] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago

We still can’t block communities we’ve been banned from?

It seems like at least ten times a week in this community we have to tell people that yes, you can block communities you are banned from so they don’t show up in All.

[-] ech@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah, it's so obvious from the completely blocked out sidebar 🙄

Also, the dev of Lemmy didn't know it was an issue, so maybe give regular users a break, yeah? https://lemmy.ca/post/48869739/18052704

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[-] socsa@piefed.social 10 points 2 days ago

Another day, another reason why the fediverse needs private voting. It's a shame rimu gave into politics and killed the feature from piefed the moment it became a slightly sticky issue.

[-] Blaze@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 days ago

Private voting will open the door to massive astroturfing

[-] socsa@piefed.social 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I care about that far less than I care about not having every vote I cast recorded forever by anyone subscribed to the fediverse feed. I care about that far less than power tripping mods and admins being terminally online and using that vote for censorship purposes.

At the end of the day, brigading is mostly an ego thing anyway. If you just stop caring about votes then they can't hurt you.

Having votes be public doesn't actually fix the astroturfing problem anyway since it's still possible to just create sockpuppet accounts anyway. To a bad actors, it doesn't matter if that sockpuppet is voting from the plaintext user string, or an agent pseudonym. Someone who wants to bot farm the fediverse will still make it happen.

If anything, public votes will make the inevitable enshitification of the fediverse worse, because it will give the viral marketing and political sockpuppet accounts more engagement to parse.

[-] Skavau@piefed.social 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I care about that far less than I care about not having every vote I cast recorded forever by anyone subscribed to the fediverse feed.

Well I think there's a good argument that account vote history should disappear after X months anyway, as after that long it becomes worthless anyway. Which is how Piefed currently works by the way.

At the end of the day, brigading is mostly an ego thing anyway. If you just stop caring about votes then they can't hurt you.

It's not though. Brigading or just a small number of committed chronic downvoters can throttle the spread of a post. Downvote trolls can be a problem for small communities trying to build up as they can successfully bury threads. I managed to discover the serial downvoters on my old lemm.ee community and when I banned them (about 5 of them?) it had a huge impact. They didn’t all downvote /everything/ but they downvoted a lot of things, and they had no contribution to their names. Some of the accounts in question literally had no posting history. These accounts just existed to downvote.

Having votes be public doesn't actually fix the astroturfing problem anyway since it's still possible to just create sockpuppet accounts anyway.

Which are all visible publicly and can get banned, and in this case, get instance banned - not just community banned. It doesn't stop it from ever happening, but it's more likely you will get banned for that behaviour.

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[-] Skavau@piefed.social 15 points 2 days ago

I disagree. That some community owners are petty about it doesn't mean that it doesn't cultivate a wider high-trust community.

[-] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Private things just don't mesh with the fediverse, tech wise. Your dms aren't actually private fyi

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Is wiseposting supposed to be ironic? Cause that might explain it. Or maybe the goal is to spur discussion instead of simple votes. I dunno I'm too tired and lazy to go check the community right now.

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