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Maybe it’s time to restart some some old Greek traditions and propose a law that anyone proposing chat control - from here on out - gets banished for life from entering European soil ever again.
I am in favour of this proposal.
They were smart, those oiled fish-eating goatfuckers. So maybe yes, that - and also sortition and ostracism.
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Absolutely unacceptable and ridiculous.
Keep them informed, of course they care about your opinion, especially seeing how anyplace else in the world where such things were introduced there were successful revolutions and people doing that ended up in jail. Oops.
Agree
It's not the EU yet. It's a group of activists from Denmark. There wasn't even preliminary voting on it yet.
Doesn't mean we need to be complacent of course, but so far nothing happened.
How the fuck can you be pro censorship/pro big brother? What kind of idiot do you have to be? Do they just get bags of money to spout out this bullshit?
Does having a lot of money exempt you from this shit? I don't get it. I can understand detestable people being pro things that make the poor poor and the rich rich. But this affect everyone both poor and rich. The only one benefiting from this are fascist dictators.
It's not "Danish activists" but rather the government. As a Dane I know how horny these people are to create a fullblown police/nanny state. SVM (the name for the government) is terrible for all of us. Can't wait to see their voter share drastically diminish at the next election, but clearly they can do a lot of harm first..
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Ugh, this shit again...
Are there any initiatives out there to call a stop to this? Or even better, initiatives to introduce legislation that forbids setting up this kind of surveillance infrastructure altogether?
Patrick Breyer with the pirate party is my go to example of why small parties and extraparliamentary opposition is important. 99% of the people don't even know him and he's just doing such an sucessful job of protecting them anyway.
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Your local Pirate Party and organizations like Bits of Freedom can help out.
The annoying thing is that some states like Germany pretty much prohibit surveillance of this extend by constitution. It couldn‘t be made any harder for a legislation like this to pass and yet they keep trying.
Well we in the Swedish Pirate Party are strongly against this! We have been fighting since the beginning against Chat Control! Feel free to DM me and I can even try to find a Pirateparty near you or atleast a party who are aligned similarly!
Thank god my OS doesn't care about EU regulation
Your OS doesn't, put the messaging apps that your friends/family/coworkers use do.
And no, you can't convince them to switch messager, I tried.
I, at least, managed to get most of my family to switch. I told them it was the only way they'd get pictures and updates of my son. The one small victory I'm satisfied with.
STASI enters the chat.
Hey at least Stasi only spied on people they suspected.
That's due to the limitation at the time.
Is the EU not subject to GDPR?
The fuck is happening over there? Was there lead in the water?
It's not lead, it's Russians
time to make my own shitty ass software to deal with this stuff
should check existing options first:
- Briar
- Simplex
- Tox
- Matrix and elements as frontend
- xmpp
Let us know when it's ready for Alpha testing. Most of us will gladly give it a shot and help iron it out.
Wtf. Is Signal going to be affected? I just recently installed Signal on my phone.
Signal has already stated that they will pull out of the UK if they go through with their version of this, I imagine they'll say the same for the EU.
Get a good VPN, exit it from a non-5 eyes country, and hope they don't start blocking by phone number alone.... and hopefully they'll drop the phone number requirement sooner than later.
Also, welcome to Signal!
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They won't.
If you're a citizen of an EU country, you should contact your politicians to tell them not to, maybe they won't.
It only has to pass once, and they keep trying.
Some keep trying. That's how democracy and politics works in general.
Many people in the US thought “He won’t”
So, call your representatives.
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Yeah. "EU wants this, EU wants that" - bullshit, the EU has no will of its own. A set of politicians within the EU, on the other hand.
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So, need a non-homicidal, non-EU country to run an XMPP server then...
So Canada?
(They do have a history of going a little overboard with the homicidal stuff. But they've come a long way in the last few decades.)
A lot overboard, really. There is a long way to go for truth and reconciliation.
As for data safety, its not looking too great: https://tuta.com/blog/canada-bill-c2-surveillance
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Welcome to earth, Everybody Sucks Here.
The never stop trying. Fucking incompetent dumm politicians.
Compelling search engines to deindex results, age verification, chat monitoring: stay golden, EU.
Encryption. Is easy.
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