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[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 55 points 2 weeks ago

We're techy enough nerds to know there's another way to be free of billionaire influence while still keeping some resemblance of modern communication: self-hosting.

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[-] MudMan@fedia.io 37 points 2 weeks ago

That last panel hit me like a truck because... yeah, that's what people think happens when they do their little personal choice things to pretend they matter.

They really buy like a paper book once and go "ah, yes, Bezos is fuming right now" while he makes another billion.

We have lost all sense of how to influence society and all ability to gauge scale. For all the folksy traditionalism in this (which includes driving a gas guzzler from the 70s, apparently?) the Internet has created this entirely disproportionate sense of our footprint on the world and this strip is as much a result of the hyperconnected dystopia as everything it's complaining about.

In my experience this is extra bad for Americans who, frankly, didn't need that much of a push to go from their individualist, self-centered perception of society to this vision of sitting on a couch listening to a walkman as activism.

[-] Cypher@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

I’ll buy something other than a ‘gas guzzler’ the second I’m not required to trade away my privacy to go electric, and can disable every single last beep, ding, screech and other unnecessary sound some stupid fuck thought was a good idea.

[-] iii@mander.xyz 9 points 2 weeks ago

Oh how I long for the day someone invents a car without a touchscreen.

[-] JumpyWombat@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago

We have lost all sense of how to influence the world and all ability to gauge scale.

Absolutely correct!

I believe in "voting with your wallet" and I do little sacrifices to respect my ideas, but I'm conscious that I'm just one step above people clicking on petitions online in terms of impact.

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[-] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The comic is hyperbolic and not in a good way. "They wouldn't like it" - yeah, if millions of Americans did the same. And it isn't even necessary to go pre-digital or pre-internet to "cut out the middleman".

I agree with you on most, but this:

which includes driving a gas guzzler from the 70s, apparently?

is hyperbole on your part.

First of all, by-default internet connected cars haven't been a thing until relatively recently (10 years max I guess). And then, gas guzzling does not necessarily correlate with age. Cars consuming less than, say, 5l/100km have existed since at least the 80s (1st hand experience, and the car was already 20 years old at that point).

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[-] serenissi@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago

or, you know, you can have best of both worlds with open technologies. tech that you own and control.

[-] Zink@programming.dev 26 points 2 weeks ago

That’s exactly what is so nice about FOSS based systems. You can use technology but without the tech bros and the corporate enshittification.

[-] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 26 points 2 weeks ago

pre-computerised car

No one want to fiddle with carburetor anymore thank you very much.

And tbh, 2010-2015 is comfortable enough and less bullshit.

[-] venusaur@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

Pretty sure they mean computerized interiors like infotainment systems. Probably not talking about ECU and internal computerized parts.

[-] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

But all displayed item from bottom panel is item from the 80s and 90s though, so precomputerised kinda either mean carburetor or primitive ecu that only control very limited function and can't scanned with a scanner tool, which is still imo bad. As an automechanic I certainly doesn't want to go back to scratching my head trying to figure out what's wrong.

Edit: not to be too pedantic about it, but that's what i get from this comic.

[-] PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Pre-telemetry cars from the naughties are the sweet spot. No cell connection either. New cars are icky.

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[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago

I think that's more aimed at Internet connected vehicles than those with an ECU.

[-] Cypher@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

My favourite cars to own were made between 2003 to 2011. They’re so peaceful to drive compared to modern cars that constantly fucking screech and ding at you just for starting the damn thing.

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[-] qaz@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

We don't need to go back to handwritten mail, FOSS is the way to go.

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 weeks ago

Writing someone a letter is a very personal thing and you're creating a memory. Something tangible, concrete, also weighs in on reality. Looking at a piece of paper with your handwrite makes you understand you're commiting to something.

I'm a FOSS loon but the craze of making everything digital is absurd. I've listened to people criticizing others for using paper and a pencil to take down a memo, note or even journaling, when they can do it on their phone.

Is existing so dreadful nowadays? Does the notion of leaving proof of existence scares?

[-] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

Its nothing to do with contempt for the media, or not wanting to leave evidence of my existence or anything like that, its just that I got shit to do.

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[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Pre-computer cars sucked. Anyone that’s worked on mechanical fuel injection will tell you so.

[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Dude I would love a non computerized car with fuel injection. Of course I stay with an older car with computer. My tuck and wife car are sending shit to tech bros.

I.would be interested in starting a penpal club. That be something cool to bring back in vogue. Of course we could start forms that don't do tracking or drown you in ads.

[-] SmackemWittadic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

You could get one by installing an aftermarket ECU and a fuel injection system in a car from those eras. It's probably harder than most people would be willing to do, but it's definitely doable

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

Nah, mechanical injection diesel engines are awesome.

[-] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago

Is this supposed to be satire? How is print media owned by massive conglomerates, flip phones with no OSS firmware, handwritten letters delivered by a literal middleman, avoiding the middlemen??

[-] Octavio@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

They’re not defining “middleman” in the traditional sense of an intermediary in an economic exchange. The first panel introduces a new definition of the term as a tech bro attempting to insinuate himself into the process of communicating with others. The remedies offered would indeed seem to preclude this type of middleman from interfering with the process.

[-] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 weeks ago

This is what using Linux feels like.

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago

guilliotines exist folks.

we dont actually need to subject ourselves to being luddites.

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[-] Caffeinated_Sloth@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I’d like to add to the third panel: go see live entertainment. Local, not Live Nation. Support local bands, artists, thespians, and comics.

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 9 points 2 weeks ago

help desk -> sysadmin -> CISO -> goat farmer

[-] AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I see a few comments about self hosting stuff to escape the clutches of big tech, and while all that is effective to a high degree, it is beyond the abilities of the general populace.

Besides, I am also of the opinion that not everything has to be digital or smart.

I relish writing and receiving letters, it is tangible and indicates commitment. Fortunately, postal system isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.

I like reading newspapers and it was sad to see all shops in my neighbourhood stop selling them during or after COVID. It was equally sad to see a lot of magazines not survive that period.

I miss my old TV that was simpler to use and started quicker than my newer smart TV. It does not matter if I disconnect the latter from the internet, it takes its time to load up. Besides, I don’t see any perceivable difference in picture quality from the distance I watch from.

Older laptops, though heavier, were more repairable. In certain aspects, they are better than modern ones: more tactile keyboard, nicer screen ratio (4:3). Of course, the newer laptops decimate the old ones when it comes to performance and screen quality but that is just technology progressing.

I could keep going on with a plethora of product categories. But across all my points, I wish some companies could continue offering such products, at least to a customer base that is willing to pay more just to support the existence of those products.

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[-] Nico_198X@europe.pub 9 points 2 weeks ago

I'm going back in a lot of areas, yeah.

When you make a wrong turn, sometimes you need to go backwards to correct and go forward again

[-] HailSeitan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago
[-] sundray@lemmus.org 7 points 1 week ago

What a fantastic post, thank you for linking it!

Seriously though, I do think that it's interesting that this comic and that essay seem to take up opposite positions*, but in each case they attract more contrary comments than ones that agree. I suppose no matter what you post, any given person is more likely to comment on it if it pisses them off than if it confirms their beliefs. It's a good thing Lemmy doesn't reward engagement, or else we'd be up to our eyeballs in ragebait, eh?

*Unless you read the whole thing instead of bouncing off the first paragraph.

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[-] nroth@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I think the issue people have with "tech" is that much of the software and devices sold take up too much space and do things people don't want them to do, without offering choice, configurability, and options for full control

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[-] cley_faye@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

When ceiling fans and AC units requires an account, yeah, something's wrong.

[-] Etterra@discuss.online 5 points 2 weeks ago

Lots of things have always had middlemen. Any sales representative you've ever encountered is a commission-driven middleman. Cars, insurance, housing, the guy at the phone store - they all exist solely to make money doing what a well made website is valuable of. If a company has a sales team, they ate unnecessary middlemen.

[-] redwattlebird@lemmings.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

This is why I never gave up on DVDs, even though people would laugh. As soon as Prime shoehorned ads in the middle of a show or movie, that's when I cancelled. I'll have to do the same with music and get my iPod battery fixed up if I can.

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[-] TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, add to the third panel ordering food by phone call, going to the store when you want every small thing, buying your groceries in person, stopping taxis on the street, no file sharing, etc., etc.

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago

I can't tell if you think those are terrible things or not.

Because that's how most people live their lives even today.

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[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

I get the idea, but I am kinda stuck on the letter writing bit. They do know that the post getting delivered is kinda built on middlemen right?

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

Also, food delivery has always involved middlemen. Instead of food delivered through an app, it was food delivered after a phone call. But, it was a human middleman delivery driver doing the delivery.

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[-] Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I've been wanting to convert my life to "off grid tech". I have a nest camera i bought in 2016. So it's pre Google. Starting about 6 months ago, Google told me unless I allow them full 24/7 access to the cam then I can't use it. A product i bought almost a decade ago is useless unless I let them spy on me. Fuck you Google.

So anyways, off grid tech. Home surveillance on my own local server protected with physical data and VPN. No more streaming, pirate everything with local server. No more Google or Amazon anything. Music? Mp3. Email? No Gmail, maybe Proton or something. I'll do all banking through home desktop through VPN. Etc, etc.

I hope to have all these things achieved by 2030

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[-] Regna@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I really like the blog and videos of Reject Convenience, he actually does something similar with his own life.

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