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[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 13 points 6 days ago

New mega just dropped.

[-] CptKrkIsClmbngThMntn@hexbear.net 13 points 6 days ago

Anyone need a coffee? Was thinking of taking a bit of a break and popping out to grab one.

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Here's a constructive question for Hexbears who don't believe in making electoral politics a core part of their strategy. (Disclosure: I am one of these users)

How do you incrementally increase the power of your movement, without just trying to set off The Big Uprising that brings the whole bourgeois state down? You need strong organizations or federations or alliances to do this, and you need a lot of preparedness, contingency plans, and luck. What is there to do in the meantime besides just take long shots at the big prize, and what do we do to meaningfully increase our chances of making the long shots work?

If electoral campaigns don't bring lasting gains of people and energy to the movement, what does?

[-] ufcwthrowaway@hexbear.net 14 points 6 days ago

Anything where we can make and solidify gains on an incremental basis: for example, union drives, contract fights, tenant organizing, expanding land trusts.

The best is if these activities either: let us practice self management (for example, creating housing and business coops) or put us in direct conflict with the capitalist class (for example, a contract fight) or better yet, both (a contract fight in a union like UE, IATSE or the ILWU).

I actually think certain forms of electoralism can dovetail really nicely with this, if you run ballot initiatives that increase your capacity to organize (like, you could do a tenants rights initiative enforced through self-help and then organize people to do self-help en masse).

The old CPUSA of the 30s - 50s used to talk about "developing leaders" through union activity. So you'd organize a strike at a plant, find people who were really into it and then deliberately on-ramp them into the party. This way you're making both incremental gains for the class (in the contract) while also deepening the bench for your movement. There's no reason that organizing economic self-help like coops or tenant organizing couldn't develop leadership the same way.

[-] homhom9000@hexbear.net 6 points 6 days ago

This is the way(as someone against electoralism) organizing through labor gives us more power, direct hands on experience, and a closer in with the working class. Same for disability and tenant organizing. Not everybody votes but people work or pay rent or are disabled

[-] ratboy@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago

Yesss this is the good shit waow-based

Finally someone talking sense in here

[-] starkillerfish@hexbear.net 7 points 6 days ago

To me the problem is not electoral campaigns, it is working within bourgeois parties (Dems) that’s the issue. You will never build a movement on the foundation of bourgeois orgs.

[-] Juice@midwest.social 8 points 6 days ago

Are we DSA posting? Its hilarious that dunking on SM has left containment, bring on the Groundwork memes

[-] ratboy@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago

Very upset that both people I asked about the NYPD union negotiations refused to answer my question. SOMEONE GIVE ME AN ANSWER YOU COWARDS yells-at-cloud

If you don't, it means that I am correct in my assessment thay Mamdani cannot freeze the police budget, and he probably knows that.

[-] upmysleeves@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago

fell for what ?

[-] RedWizard@hexbear.net 106 points 1 week ago

You fucking watched this video, and your takeaway was "Mamdani fucking loves cops now"? I don't get it. Are we just accepting the framing from a self-identified MAGA Twitter account now? Did you make this meme? I'm seriously confused here. This "Pivot to Police" is literally right-wing framing being used, right now, against Mamdani:

The question was: "You know, there's been a lot of talk here today about Andrew Como, and apparently, the person who wants to become the Mayor of New York, is now going to be calling on you and others to do something about increasing the number of police, not just accepting the number of police that are there now. But also to keep up the SRJ, which was responsible last week for going after the shooter last week on Park Avenue, and I wonder, you know obviously hes trying to go after a weak spot on you. I wonder if you would like to respond to that because that's going to be his campaign pitch."

His answer was:

  1. Why are 200 cops leaving a month? Forced over time.
  2. Why do they have so much forced over time? We're making cops do things they shouldn't do.
  3. What are the jobs cops shouldn't be doing? Standing around the MTA, answering tourists questions about the MTA. Answering 200,000 mental health calls every year.

These are the exact kinds of policies that grew out of the Defund the Police movement in 2020.

What's the deal here? The obvious way you fund this is by cutting police budgets and shifting that money into human services like the ones he's referring to. Did you actually think Mamdani was going to abolish the NYPD? He would be the fucking head of the NYPD, for Christ sake. Even still, the right-wing media is trying to skewer him for his answer here. Somehow, they've come all the way around to being pro-defunding the fucking police because he outlined changes to the NYPD that could only be achieved through taking some of their annual funding, which won't even be actual cuts, as we've seen before, but instead a pause in budget increases, or a 0% increase on the yearly budget.

What's the deal here? The obvious way you fund this is by cutting police budgets and shifting that money into human services like the ones he's referring to. Did you actually think Mamdani was going to abolish the NYPD? He would be the fucking head of the NYPD, for Christ sake.

I wanted to mention this yesterday but I didn't want to be arguing with nerds all fucking day, but like, yeah

the same people shitting on him for "standing next to Elizabeth Warren" (????) are the same people who cheer when he says shit like he's going to arrest Netanyahu if he comes to NYC- how the fuck do they think he's going to have anyone arrested without a police force?????

[-] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 1 points 6 days ago

Hire me and my friends

[-] WrongOnTheInternet@hexbear.net 3 points 6 days ago

that could only be achieved through taking some of their annual funding

Well that's not true

Cops can just do less and NYPD can piss away the savings on a policing LLM or whatever new toy will fix everything

[-] Llituro@hexbear.net 56 points 1 week ago

these ultras that keep falling for fascist randos rhetoric is so annoying man. ultras are indistinguishable from radlibs istg

[-] THEPH0NECOMPANY@hexbear.net 31 points 1 week ago

They are indistinguishable from radlibs because they functionally do nothing and are constantly annoying.

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Op should touch grass

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[-] ratboy@hexbear.net 77 points 1 week ago

The progressive senator from Massachusetts swung by New York City on Monday to pay homage to Mamdani, who overwhelmingly won the Democratic nomination for mayor in June — but still hasn’t secured endorsements from many of New York’s party leaders.

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Bro, you don't NEED their endorsements! There were like 2-3 other candidates whose votes will go to you in the main election!! You fucking won the primary, even being labeled a dirty socialist! THE MASSES WANT SOCIALISM IT'S NOT A SCARY WORD ANYMORE!!! screm-a aaaa aaaa

[-] grym@hexbear.net 59 points 1 week ago

From outside the US, i think people need to log off. He's literally not "done" anything, there's no falling for anything (yet). But it certainly doesn't seem very useful to panic every time he shows that he's... a demsoc. I never saw anyone pretend he was anything more than that.

Your elections are pretty fucked, best you can expect is to educate and agitate, and find relatively better footholds locally by improving local laws and conditions, as best as you're able. All the political theater of election cycles and all the media stuff before someone is elected, that's all pretty dumb imo. It's theater, it's media strategy, it's fucking tiring and it's not very productive to obsess about.

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[-] Esoteir@hexbear.net 57 points 1 week ago

maybe he's upset the NYPD is only losing 200 officers a month and wants to bump that number up? biaoqing-copium

[-] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 55 points 1 week ago

This is some dumb shit and I didn't need to see it. Fuck you for posting it.

[-] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 33 points 1 week ago

idk how people can watch someone win an election and see the entirety of the bourgeoisie shit themselves over it and then believe literally any and every thing they hear about them that would make them not like/discontinue their support of them without thinking "wow idk maybe I should step back here a bit and see what they even end up doing once elected"

no, better to go running hot to the presses with fell-for-it-again-award shit every time Mamdani's caught talking to a democrat because him being a neoliberal sheepdog sleeper agent "here to defuse revolutionary sentiment" is apparently infinitely more likely in the minds of some than "they're smearing mamdani in literally every possible way" even though we literally saw a multi-month long period where they threw essentially whatever they could fucking think of at the wall to see if it would stick

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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 52 points 1 week ago

Taking some questions and photos with Warren is "campaigning with her" now? He's the democratic candidate for New York City, he's accepting bended knees from the radlibs not the other way around, what policies or talking points has he changed because of her

"Allegedly upset that NYPD is losing 200 officers a month"

Then provide the MOTHERFUCKING QUOTE YOU WRECKER FUCKS, wtf is this destiny-style ass vague accusation horseshit?

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[-] Lussy@hexbear.net 50 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The contents of this tweet are disturbing IF true but I’m not going to take this at face value, lots of bullshit flying around.

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[-] Tabitha@hexbear.net 37 points 1 week ago

did he actually say something bad or is this just fatalistic doomerism?

[-] revolut1917@hexbear.net 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

https://x.com/HOTWisconsin/status/1952418431816351973 video here. he's always been soft on the NYPD but yesterday ramped it up. it's not "fatalistic doomerism" to point out that the Democrats are a Nazi party actively committing genocide and anyone who thinks that project is worth "working within" is either compromised or stupid.

[-] ratboy@hexbear.net 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Seriously hating the take on this website right now that if anyone says anything slightly critical of him that we are doomers or wreckers or whatever the fuck. Does the concept of critical support just fly out the window? Do people not see that being so rigid and resorting to fucking name calling amounts to similar behavior of the blue MAGA crowd? Were they even old enough to vote in the 2020 elections and actually remember what the vibe was like for AOC and Bernie? Do they think us groaning on this website will influence votes? Idk.

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[-] Robert_Kennedy_Jr@hexbear.net 31 points 1 week ago

Just leaving myself a reminder to read this later when it's passing 100 comments antelope-popcorn

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[-] Dimmer06@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago

Socialist Majority Caucus wants this. They didn't "fall" for anything.

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[-] kleeon@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago

where did that bring you? back-to-me

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