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[-] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 70 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I just did a search in the store and discovered there are at least 15 separate workout apps published by the same company with the same red icon theming. (men, women, abs, legs, lose weight men, lose weight women...)

Like, what the actual fuck. Its the same company. It could have just been one app.

I guess when people treat the app store like a search engine we get into this situation where apps become hyper-specific to match the hyper-specific things people are searching for, using individual app names as if they are search results.

I hate it, and I hate the human behaviour that has lead to this being a profitable tactic for app developers.

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago

Finding an app that focuses on the thing you wanted to do specifically probably gets people to install it better than a generalized app

[-] Iceman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

And takes "shelf space" from competing apps.

[-] Deathray5@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 2 days ago

The 15 genders. Anyone who's legs or abs HMU

[-] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 13 points 3 days ago

searching right now "make big ass app"

[-] CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

I doubt 98% of them have any real usage. The barrier to entry is low. The play/Apple stores are very healthy and profitable. If course a few smaller app are going to pop up to try and get a cut.

[-] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago

It may be the same workout app just multiplied for SEO. I don't think making official dupes is an offence against the rules of said platforms, as these are not unauthorized clones, and spamming apps to appear in every potential search querry is what for-profit companies without a brand recognition would undoubtedly strive for.

[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 days ago

app store search is often super bad. it ignores words etc, because they make more money by people not finding what they want and falling back to installing a few promoted apps with extra ads and tracking instead

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 points 1 day ago

Woman one for legs, Man one for upper body.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 2 days ago

¿Por que no los dos?

[-] Lazhward@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Targeted exercising doesn't work.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

How so? If you train your biceps you won't get stronger feet?

[-] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago

You both are correct, depending on the context. The first user's point is correct when it comes to losing weight. You can't just lose belly fat by doing a bunch of situps.

Funny enough, you actually can target losing belly fat to a degree with diet. Both alcohol and fructose are broken down via the Krebs cycle, and the fat that is the output is deposited in between (and inside of) the organs in your gut. Cutting out alcohol, fructose, and sucrose (which is glucose + fructose) will stop adding fat there. In addition, ketosis tends to cause visceral fat to be broken down for energy more than subcutaneous fat, so that can be used to target visceral fat.

Also, getting rid of visceral fat is a very good idea. Subcutaneous fat doesn't have much of a negative effect on health unless there is a lot of it, while visceral fat can lead to organ problems like fatty liver disease.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Ah yeah that explains it, thanks! And also IMO completely correct. And I didn't know about keto burning belly fat better (alcohol belly is a well known result though).

And double yeah, you don't want fat lining your internal organs, that's a major health hazard.

[-] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

And I didn't know about keto burning belly fat better

FWIW, it's most prominent on fat that's already specifically in the liver, since the liver is the organ that converts fats into ketones. And it's specifically visceral fat. Subcutaneous fat on the belly should be burned at the same rate as subcutaneous fat located anywhere else

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

So me stopping drinking and going keto-ish diet is a double bonus?

[-] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Kinda. Not drinking stops the problem from getting worse, keto will help fix it.

Also, you would need to do full keto to get the bonus. Otherwise you won't be going into ketosis. Only having a low-carb diet wouldn't be significantly different from basic calorie restriction.

Also, you still need to exercise and restrict calories to lose weight on keto. For weight loss, it mainly makes the process easier; if you eat more than you burn you still won't lose weight. I like it, it's a useful tool, but it's not magic.

Some extra bits of advice in case you try keto:

Take elecrolyte supplements, especially magnesium to avoid the "keto-flu". There aren't many people who can get away with not taking any
You'll likely lose 10-12lb in the first week or two. That's mainly water weight that you'll gain back after going off the diet. The typical sustained weight loss is 2lb per week.
Eat a balanced diet of real food. As in, eat a mix of unprocessed meat and vegetables. Don't just eat nonstop jerky and "keto certified" cookies and ice cream. Make your own food from scratch as much as you realistically can.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 day ago

you still need to exercise and restrict calories to lose weight on keto. For weight loss, it mainly makes the process easier; if you eat more than you burn you still won’t lose weight. I like it, it’s a useful tool, but it’s not magic.

I don't think this is a good way to do keto. After the initial onboarding, hunger and satisfaction signals will work properly and people wont overeat.

[-] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

1: While the signals will correct for most people, I'm personally not willing to claim it's guaranteed

2: There's no harm in measuring caloric intake and burn even if the signals correct

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 23 hours ago

1: While the signals will correct for most people, I’m personally not willing to claim it’s guaranteed

Fair!

2: There’s no harm in measuring caloric intake and burn even if the signals correct

At least with the people i've helped do keto, I find doing a initial over feeding of whole keto food is very beneficial in fighting the initial cravings and adaptation phase.

No harm in measuring, but doing a caloric deficit is a complication

[-] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 17 hours ago

At least with the people i've helped do keto, I find doing a initial over feeding of whole keto food is very beneficial in fighting the initial cravings and adaptation phase.

Huh, interesting. I've generally heard the recommendation of fasting beforehand instead.

Personally, I suspect the quickest way to switch is to do intense exercise between the last non-keto meal and the first keto meal. It'd burn through a lot of the glucose glycogen stored in the liver and muscles, forcing the liver to release ketones immediately instead of waiting a day for them to deplete normally. Though you'd probably get the shakes from hypoglycemia in the meantime.

For me, I've just switched to keto foods and let the switch happen on it's own over the course of a few hours. No need to rush it. Thankfully I have a harder time going off of keto than getting on

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 10 hours ago

Huh, interesting. I’ve generally heard the recommendation of fasting beforehand instead.

Fasting is the fastest (heh) way to get into a ketogenic metabolism! It's true. I'm just optimizing for minimal cravings when people switch.

I suspect the quickest way to switch is to do intense exercise between the last non-keto meal and the first keto meal. It’d burn through a lot of the glucose glycogen stored in the liver and muscles, forcing the liver to release ketones immediately instead of waiting a day for them to deplete normally. Though you’d probably get the shakes from hypoglycemia in the meantime.

Fasting + intense cardio would deplete the glycogen reserves it's true, but gluconeogensis will replace them. I think the key is to just keep insulin levels down and give the body enough time to adapt. Some people struggle with cravings, some people temptation, some people just need to get it done - so they will all have different strategies

For me, I’ve just switched to keto foods and let the switch happen on it’s own over the course of a few hours. No need to rush it. Thankfully I have a harder time going off of keto than getting on

That is awesome! Well done.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Thank you 💕 but I have already been through the keto flu a bunch of years ago, and I'm 100% commited now so let's hope everything pans out well!

[-] rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I think the double bonus will vary based on how "keto-ish" you go; you will still need to enter and maintain ketosis!

I "tried" keto for ages but kept giving myself little treats (and vodka) which kept me out of ketosis... Still lost weight, but it wasn't really keto 😂

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

😁 wine here, but now I'm going full zen mode with good eating habits and some regular sport 🥵😁 will try 100% keto 🤓 too!

[-] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

I think they both have the same exercises.

[-] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Do they? I haven't checked, but men and women do tend to focus on slightly different things: men tend to focus more on upper body and building mass, women tend to focus more on lower body and toning. There's a lot of overlap for the basic compound exercises, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are some differences.