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TLDR: Techbros in SF are wearing AI pins that record everything everyone says around them.

“My general sense is that we should assume we are being recorded at all times,” said Clara Brenner, a partner at venture capital firm Urban Innovation Fund. “Of course, this is a horrible way to live your life.”

Damn right it is. Every day one step closer to dystopia. Fuck this shit.

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[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

Sarbanes Oxley (SOX) Tought these fuckers nothing

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes%E2%80%93Oxley_Act

Corporations and c-staff lie cheat and steal, They come up with a legal ideas and tell people to act on them. The last thing they need is something storing information about what they're actually saying and is set around them. These spy pins and the VR boardroom note takers are just generating documentation to get these assholes hold off to prison, when we start caring about that start again

You don't keep those emails, you don't keep those records, you don't keep audio or video past a predetermined period of time someone discovery comes for you , You're not caught shredding evidence.

[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 46 points 3 days ago

In a techno utopia, it would be nice to use something like this to have perfect memory. Assuming it was private, self-hosted and open source.

In reality, these are likely vendor locked hardware attached to cloud services awaiting their first massive security breach. A privacy nightmare that will just become more e-waste

[-] belit_deg@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Would it?

A chatlog of what everyone has ever said to you? Every misspeak, miscommunication, he-said-she-said, emotional comment? What problem would it solve?

It might solve some problems, and introduce a shit ton of new ones. As technology always does.

[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Given that a lot of people communicate via social media, that record already exists but we don't have access to it most of it.

I communicate with a lot of my friends via IMs and so there's a perfect history of our conversations in the chat logs. It is useful to be able to search to find a previous conversation. I'm not a masochist so I don't go back and dwell on arguments or things said in anger.

There are people with medical conditions that would benefit from having an augmented memory. People with early Alzheimer's, or Traumatic Brain Injury could recall previous conversations confidently.

People with high functioning autism could use the record to handle social confusion. Often they'll have difficulty in social situations without understanding what went wrong, so their memory of the encounter will be incomplete/unreliable. Having an objective record could let a trusted third party help them learn/understand what happened.

I could imagine people wouldn't mind leaving their memories to their children after they die. Or victims/witnesses of crime using their augmented memory to accurately identify the perpetrator.

Sure, I can easily think of downsides as well. But, it does seem likely that these kinds of devices that are always recording will become more common as prices for storage and hardware keep dropping.

[-] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Even in a tech utopia something like this existing would make it not a utopia to me, since I don't see a similarity between regular voluntary posted texts and social media submissions and a persistent recording device.

Like the social situation automatically means people who come in contact with them are being recorded against their will. When it comes to IMs in your example people can choose to participate or not, but this tech is not the case.

Unless there is some Black Mirror type built in privacy block of people showing up as glitched out avatars if they haven't opted in.

[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

Unless there is some Black Mirror type built in privacy block of people showing up as glitched out avatars if they haven’t opted in.

It looks like you've thought of an idea to solve the problem that you stated.

[-] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

In my tech utopia there wouldn't be Orwellian surveillance to begin with. Anyone entering with those type of devices would find it not working.

People with high functioning autism could use the record to handle social confusion. Often they’ll have difficulty in social situations without understanding what went wrong, so their memory of the encounter will be incomplete/unreliable. Having an objective record could let a trusted third party help them learn/understand what happened.

As one of those people, I have to be clear: this is not how things would shake out. The vast majority of the time, the misunderstanding comes from tone, not from the words used. Providing a transcript showing that one’s words are inoffensive has done little to improve the situations where I’ve been able to provide them - NTs often double-down that their emotional interpretation of your tone still matters more than the specific words you chose.

[-] belit_deg@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Seems we are talking about different things here. By "perfect" I assumed you meant "complete", as opposed to an IM-log, e-mail, letters or other async communications.

For people with medical conditions such as dementia, of course, this could solve real problems. I'm not saying we should pull the brakes in every case. My only point is that more data doesn't equal "better" in every case.

Forgetting things are an underappreciated part of being human. Of course accumulating knowledge with science etc is what drives humanity forward. But when living our day to day lives, forgetting stuff is not just a bug, it's a feature. It enables us to move on, letting go, and revisit memories more organically and qualitatively. For example the rush of nostalgia that hits you when you randomly hear a song from your childhood. Compare this to prompting your local AI with "give me a perfect list of songs from my childhood".

For example it's interesting to listen to accounts from savants with near perfect memories who talk about the struggles of remembering everything.

[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I'm not saying use technology to extend a person's biological memory. I'm saying use technology to keep a record of a person's life (obviously I know the privacy implications of doing this in actual practice in the year 2025, which is why I prefaced my comment with "In a techno utopia").

You, personally, will still forget things and be capable of nostalgia.

I think it's pretty uncontroversial to say that people like to have pictures. They collect pictures of vacations that they enjoyed, pictures of their children when they were X age, pictures of dead relatives and pictures of themselves with friends. Because people enjoy revisiting memories. When video cameras became more ubiquitous, people took videos of vacations they enjoyed, videos of their children's first steps, videos of themselves. There are entire markets for services which let you store and retrieve every picture that you've ever taken.

At the same time everyone has a story where they wish they had recorded some event. For example, a baby's first steps that a spouse missed because they were at work or some unexpected spectacular event. Or even mundane things like 'Where did I leave my phone?'. Having the ability to keep a record of memories, in video or in some hypothetical full-sensory recording, of every moment is something that people would be interested in.

Compare this to prompting your local AI with “give me a perfect list of songs from my childhood”.

Perhaps this is just a matter of taste, because I would absolutely do this.

[-] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago

Nobody seems to care that it will be used as blackmail and control. Even when you're on your best behavior with the best intentions. Something will happen that you want to remain private.

[-] EngineerGaming@retrolemmy.com 18 points 3 days ago

Even if it's private and independent, I would feel uneasy with that. I might want to store and analyze the recordings of my life - but would people that I caught on camera want the same?..

[-] SparrowHawk@feddit.it 11 points 2 days ago

Sweet, AI will think everyone on earth is from California

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 3 days ago

Glad these things would be technically illegal in my state due to two-party-consent laws for recording.

[-] zeca@lemmy.ml 28 points 3 days ago

This is still a bit of a nightmare. This being illegal will prevent people from showing the recordings publicly, but if they record for private use, no one would prevent them, or even know...

[-] trailee@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago

The article addresses that since California is two-party as well. The laws won’t stop it.

[-] CyberSeeker@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 days ago

Even states with two party consent still allow recording in public spaces.

[-] Creddit@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

Two party consent laws in California come down to a "reasonable expectation of privacy" and that has been worked out in the legal system over time to be pretty much any place with an open door or window, even a conference room inside a private business is fair game if the door is open to the hallway.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 days ago

I mean this has already been happening for years with stuff like Google home and Alexa.

this post was submitted on 11 Aug 2025
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