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Several hundred people gathered for a pro-Ukraine rally in Anchorage, Alaska, where U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian leader Vladimir Putin are set to meet Friday.

Archived version: https://archive.is/20250815082113/https://www.politico.eu/article/alaska-vladimir-putin-donald-tump-summit-ukraine-flags-protest-war-criminal/


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[-] Bronstein_Tardigrade@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 hours ago

I'm surprised Mike Johnson didn't invite Putin to speak to Congress like they do for war criminal Netanyahoo.

[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 12 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Wait, he's COMING TO THE US?

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK I MISSED THAT?

He hasn't been to the US since 2015, shortly after the first invasion of Ukraine. This is an unprecedented opportunity for someone to fix the problem that is Putin.

Undoubtedly he will have his own security detail. But he would not be allowed to meet Trump without interacting with other Americans. Everytime an opportunity to remove the cancer is missed, it will keep growing. Putin IS NOT immortal. The collapse of the Kremlin is inevitable. And it will not be pleasant. But we should at least do it before the rest of the world tears it's apart because of his psychological warfare.

I know, big words coming from someone who didn't fly to Alaska to do something about it, but it's not exactly something outside of that very inner circle of people can do anything about. And yeah, it would be a suicide mission unless you had access to some delayed acting chemical or biological weapon.

But I can't be the only one who sees the alternate future in which Putin is gone. So what if I'm not around to see it. The Russian Federation as it exists today is doomed, more so than the USA is (which is arguably still possible, yet incredibly unlikely, to do).

Frankly, this is yet another example of treasonous actions by this regime.

Edit: lmfao I woke the hexbear lmfao

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 21 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

This one shitty regional capitalist is the source of all evil in the liberal mind, and it's turned you all into borderline religious fanatics ranting about the devil . What are you going to do when he keels over in like 10 years and nothing changes? I know, I know, asking this question makes me a Russian spy, or a bot, or mentally ill.... whatever you need me to be so I can be written off as less than human for not sharing your desire for nuclear Armageddon.

[-] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 14 points 19 hours ago

If you mention that the US directly caused Putin to get in power and have the amount of power he has, they might explode

[-] stink@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

We gonna say the same thing for Biden, Trump, Macron, netanyahu, Scholz, Obama (for Yemen), Bush (Iraq and Afghanistan), Jimmy Carter (supporting Pol Pot), or literally every other leader of "western democratic governments"?

This photo is from almost 2 years ago by the way. You're more likely to die as a child in Gaza than a Nazi in Ukraine, but yes Putin is the root of all evil.

[-] Cenotaph@mander.xyz 12 points 17 hours ago

Like, yeah. I don't think you could name a single american president who wasn't a war criminal

[-] robotElder2@hexbear.net 4 points 14 hours ago

Define 'perfidy' and use it in a sentence.

[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 1 points 13 hours ago

Ok I'm NGL what summoned you guys? I mean it's pretty impressive that 8 comments from hexbear pop out of nowhere when I mention the opportunity to take out one of the world's worst sociopaths that was a large reason behind Trump's first success and if I had to guess, his second success. And not to mention this guy is actively leading ethnic cleansing in Ukraine, has had many of his enemies killed in specific ways to send a message, killed his only real political opponent, sucked the wealth from the entirety of the Russian people, and has caused at least 1,000,000 men to march to their deaths in the invasion of Ukraine.

And man, I'm just getting started.

Why would you people bother to defend Putin of all the options out there?

[-] robotElder2@hexbear.net 7 points 13 hours ago

You appeared on our Frontpage. That's how federation works. Do you know what perfidy is?

[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 1 points 13 hours ago

Perfidy?

Never heard of him. But why defend putin? Because it ended up on your front page? That seems like a really bad reason.

[-] robotElder2@hexbear.net 4 points 12 hours ago

Perfidy, in the context of international relations, is to lure a delegation from an opposed faction under false pretenses of negotiations in order to kill them. Perfidious actors do not generally receive future delegations. Noone on hexbear particularly likes Putin but we're not so stupid as to attribute every act or the Russian Federation to his own personal malice, nor to think that his replacement if he were killed would differ significantly in policy. If the US went through with your hairbrained plot the Russian advance would continue apace and the US would be regarded everywhere as an even less trustworthy partner than before. 'Do not murder the negotiators' is a pretty important rule in the 'rules based international order' you liberals are so proud of.

[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 1 points 12 hours ago

I don't know if you've been paying attention, but we haven't exactly been living in a world with 'rules based international order'.

Also why do you keep calling me a liberal? I haven't exactly voiced any liberal statements?

[-] robotElder2@hexbear.net 4 points 12 hours ago

I agree that the 'rules based order' is a farce and i apologize for presuming that you wouldn't. How would you characterize your own politics?

[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 1 points 11 hours ago
[-] robotElder2@hexbear.net 2 points 11 hours ago

Well, I admit that inviting the president of the Russian Federation to the US under false pretenses to assassinate him would increase the chance of every state on Earth being destroyed all at once. It would certainly be an act of war. Even if there were no nuclear exchange in the immediate aftermath it would then be established that every diplomat to US territory was also a hostage at best or being sent directly to their death at worst. It would further kick out the bottom rungs of the escalation ladder for future conflicts.

[-] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 3 points 13 hours ago

And man, I'm just getting started.

Cupcake, please don't kid yourself.

[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 1 points 13 hours ago

But you realize you're defending Putin. The Thief in Chief of the Kremlin, probably the most successful Kleptocracy in history.

The guy who had apartment buildings in Russia bombed, killing 300ish Russians in 1999? Who then used it as pretext to invade Dagestan and trigger the 2nd Chechen War that killed 80,000 Chechen civilians?

Then of course, once he got presidency, he retained power to this day?

And let's not skip over his FIRST invasion of Ukraine which he annexed and turned into Crimea?

And if we want to get to a more personal level, the fact that he humiliated his wife once he rose to prominence by spending his time with "dancers" shows what kind of person he is outside of the international arena too.

That Putin? Or do you need more?

[-] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 0 points 5 hours ago

Even pretending putin is in charge of the biggest "kleptocracy" is a fuckin joke compared to america. Jesus, you guys would really benefit from a book besides harry potter

[-] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 10 points 18 hours ago

I’m genuinly curious about exactly how you think this hypothetical action would improve the situation in the world.

[-] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 10 points 17 hours ago

The same way every liberal views history: Great Man theory says singular bad man dies, everything changes. Ignore material conditions

[-] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 1 points 4 hours ago

Obviously, but they seem to be calling for a US government employee to do this during a peace conference where the US is supposed to guarantee his safety. Even some liberals (though not all apparently) could spot one or two complications that might arise from this and I would love to hear in their own words what tangible positive change they would expect from this.

[-] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 12 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

lmao, begging for adventurism on fuckin Putin and not netanyahu, biden, bush, etc.

the liberal mind is a vast, empty cave

[-] lasers4eyes@piefed.zip 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

My face when there is more than one evil person in power in the world: :O

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 6 points 13 hours ago

Okay, let's say you press the button that kills all the "evil" people (what does that mean) at once. What would you expect to happen next?

[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 0 points 13 hours ago

We wouldn't have to worry about annoying instances popping up out of nowhere to defend them for starters.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

You guys always, without fail, fall back on hollow quips whenever you're asked questions of a practical nature, because your ideology is not built for answering practical questions, it's built for justifying and mystifying the problems it causes. It's that combination of smugness and intellectual incuriosity that's really going to do you in.

[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 0 points 11 hours ago

That's absolutely fascinating how you turned my obviously hollow quip into a tirade about my ideology based on a comment of ridding the world of obvious evil. I finally remembered why so many instances defederated you guys. You don't have a serious position to take. It's just word vomit meant to waste people's time and make you feel more secure about your attachment to authoritarians.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

That's absolutely fascinating

In what way? What do you find fascinating about it? Say what you mean instead of hiding behind redditor cliches.

a tirade

My comment was all of two sentences long. If that's what you consider a tirade, you're gonna hate what comes next. Of course, we both know the actual reason you chose that word is because you want to paint any disagreement with your self-evidently correct ideas as coming from a place of mental instability. Call me hysterical or delusional next.

ridding the world of obvious evil

This is purely subjective and doesn't actually mean anything. Good and evil are stories for explaining the world to children, adults understand that reality operates on cause and effect. And even on your own terms, you haven't defined evil, so how can it have any meaning that can be shared between us. Nazi Germany and Israel were/are also "ridding the world of obvious evil" from their perspective, am I supposed to just take that nonsense justification at face value because like them, you assume that to be sane and rational, a person must share your prejudices?

You don't have a serious position to take

This is the black hole at the center of the galaxy calling the sun black. Here's a quick summary of the serious position we don't have, courtesy of one of the lengthy essays we don't write:

A Marxist understanding of capitalism leads to anti-imperialism. Anti-imperialism is understood by detractors as a simple rhetorical dressing over simplistic heuristics like “reflexive anti-americanism,” “history repeats itself,” and “the military-industrial complex needs contracts,” but all of these are reductive. Marxists understand that human political leadership in the imperial periphery, whether enlightened or tyrannical, will only be antagonized by empire for one single possible reason: it is getting in the way of market penetration. This is phrased succinctly by Kevin Dooley when criticizing Noam Chomsky’s support for a military alliance between the Kurds and the USA in Syria: “The difference between [Chomsky’s] position and a hard-line anti-imperialist position isn’t tactical. What he’s arguing is simply a violation of anti-imperialist principles based on a fundamentally different understanding of what can drive the empire to act in the world.” [16]

The accusation that anti-imperialists are unconcerned with human rights deserves a sharp rebuke. The USA was born of slavery and genocide, dropped atomic bombs as a matter of political brinkmanship, imported Nazi scientists and installed war criminals like Klaus Barbie and Nobusuke Kishi around the world to defend and advance anti-communist positions [17], and enthusiastically supports gruesome butcherers today. Simply put, Capital has destroyed innumerable countries and murdered hundreds of millions directly and indirectly. It is precisely a concern for the rights of humans that should make one immediately skeptical of any humanitarian posturing by Capital. Anti-imperialism not only means support for the important pro-social projects of states like Cuba, Vietnam, and China; it also means critical support for non-socialist states such as Iran and Russia. Critical support acknowledges that, though instituting various indefensible policies, enemies of empire are not being antagonized because of said policies. The only thing that can drive empire to act in the world is capital accumulation.

You are coping by telling yourself that one of the most widespread ideologies on the planet, with a century and a half of theory behind it and multiple revolutions up on the scoreboard, has no serious positions. It's peak solipsism: you can't understand it or won't bother to, so it must be gibberish.

Authoritarian

What, in your own words, does this term mean? I've had this conversation a thousand times, and nobody has been able to provide an answer that doesn't just boil down to "any use of authority that I personally dislike". Maybe you'll be the first.

Look man, my problem with liberals, aside from the support for nazis and genocide, is that you have a static, shoebox diorama view of the world. Things simply are, good guys are good guys and bad guys are bad guys, and that's that. It's very similar to the more right wing liberals who think that "criminals" are just a group of people that spawn in dark alleys like a video game, and not their own former neighbors driven to desperation by ruthless capitalist plundering. You like that Criminal Bad Guy Luigi, right? I do.

A Marxist view on the other hand, a materialist view, conceives of the world and all it's parts as a machine in motion, each component affecting others and being affected. Vladimir Putin and the Russian Federation did not crawl out of a molten crack in the ground: the US empire created the government and installed him at its head to facilitate the shock doctrine that allowed corporate entities to strip the very profitable flesh from the bones of the former USSR. Western communists did not fall out of a coconut tree: we were liberals who believed sincerely in the stated values of liberalism and could not look past it's rank hypocrisy, violence and racism. I'm not a mindless hostile NPC the game put here to challenge you dawg, I'm you from the future.

[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 0 points 9 hours ago

You seem to be upset. And you might be a hostile NPC. I might be a hostile NPC, and you might be the only player in the fediverse.

It seems my hollow quip had more bite to it that anticipated?

And that was much more fun to write out wasn't it?

But, if you want a response I'll humor the bit I'm interested in: Authoritarian.

Obviously we could use the dictionary definition of the world (I'm not going to bother looking it up right now, it's something similar to: 'favoring absolute obedience to authority'). Russia, Iran, China. Textbook definitions of Authoritarian government.

Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Trump, Putin, Netenyahu (however the fuck you spell his name), the Ayatollah of Iran, Winnie the Pooh of China, these are all authoritarians. Support of these regimes is therefore favoring absolute obedience to authority. Pretty simple IMO

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

u mad bro?

Now who's unserious

Russia, Iran, China. Textbook definitions of Authoritarian government.

So authoritarianism is when designated state enemy that the US wants to bomb. Refreshingly honest for someone who probably wouldn't admit to being an American jingoist otherwise. No but for real, tell me a definition, not what you think are examples. You do know what words mean, right?

Winnie the Pooh

Cool racism bro

Netanyahu

Who did you vote for this past election? And hey, how about Zelensky, is he An Authoritarian? Why or why not?

Your entire circular reasoning boils down to "you are bad because you love the bad guys and probably want to kiss them, and they are bad guys because they are bad guys because they are bad guys".

Your ideology is a formless sludge of floating signifiers and pavlovian response-conditioning, and you probably don't even consider yourself propagandized. classic

[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 0 points 9 hours ago

Thank you for confirming you are, in fact, a Chinese nationalist.

I don't even need to highlight exactly how I know, you are well aware. You don't have a choice, and I understand that. I also understand that you literally cannot let this go, as you have been trained not to. To let it go would bring harm to the Party.

And I literally did give you the definition, but your cognitive dissonance seems to have ignored it entirely. After giving you the definition, I gave you present day examples.

If you need more definitions, I can gladly oblige. I don't need to look up the definition of Authority: "The power to enforce laws, exact obedience, command, determine, or judge. "

So therefore, an authoritarian is one who favors absolute obedience to those who have power to enforce laws, exact obedience, command, determine, or judge.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I don't even need to highlight exactly how I know, you are well aware. You don't have a choice, and I understand that. I also understand that you literally cannot let this go, as you have been trained not to. To let it go would bring harm to the Party.

[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 1 points 9 hours ago

Hey, it's not my fault Xi jinping has such a fragile ego he tries to shift it to y'all.

[-] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 5 points 17 hours ago

Weird, I kinda was thinking Putin could do something really funny.

[-] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 17 hours ago

protest ‘war criminal hanging out here’

are they also going to protest:

  • Eielson Air Force Base
  • Elmendorf Air Force Base
  • Clear Air Force Station
  • Fort Richardson
  • Fort Wainwright
  • Fort Greely
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