Google, and other search engines, deliberately ruined their search results to increase engagement, and probably to drive up usage of AI.
I must be a boomer or just be playing different games to everyone else because duckduckgo (with AI disabled) still works just fine for video game questions. Once in a blue moon I ask an LLM a programming question that requires context/grammar/not just keywords into a search engine (and verify the LLM's answer ofc) but video games seem pretty suited to keyword searches. Name of the quest, name of the in-game location, name of the NPC, level number, etc, should get you exactly what you need.
i feel this. i spent 30+ years being very proficient in keyword searching, and making fun of those elderly folks entering whole, natural language questions into their search...
.. and here we are
You know, I'm out of tech now, so I hadn't thought about this because it doesn't come up as much in my daily life anymore. Being a sysadmin is one of those professional googler type of jobs. I was pretty damn good at finding what I needed, and known for it. Now you just ask the magic box.
This feels very old man shaking fist at clouds, but alas.
This feels very old man shaking fist at clouds, but alas
i resemble this remark. solidarity!
I used AI one whole time when I couldn't figure out where a setting was in a program, and it just got it wrong and I spent another half-hour (it probably wasn't actually that long) trying to find it myself, but even more angry because I had interacted with AI.
I shall take my keywords and search modifiers to my grave.
Literally every time I've tried to rely on AI results they've been wrong. Either small details or something huge but it's always something.
Yeah I still wouldn't trust it with anything like super important.
I wouldn't trust it period. If it's just boilerplate code, should be super easy to check over it. If it's more involved, you should verify with outside sources that (1) the answer actually answered the question and (2) the answer is accurate so that you at least know where your information is coming from
And it makes me feel bad in turn that I’m part of the problem polluting the earth with this crap
i wouldn't beat yourself up about it, a 3-4 hour gaming session uses far more power than a couple of prompts asking the robot how to play the game
shoot your computer
With what Obama took my guns.
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optimizing for advertising ruined search. to the extent that an llm can direct you to more information about something you're not sure how to describe perfectly, clock is ticking.
clock is ticking.
Yeah, they'll optimize LLMs for advertising soon enough.
They already are. The links that appear as information references in Google's 'AI' preview for example are already selected via weighted lists that benefit Google or their biggest advertisers. So not only are they basically rendering SEO rankings irrelevant by producing info / answers with no click through at all, but they're prioritising their own interests in that too. People in digital marketing are shitting a brick about it at the moment.
they're better at it than musk at least. grok would work whatever sponsor into every reply.
seems weird to enshittify something that's already shit but they'll figure it out.
You'll find LLMs typically append their links with referral data (e.g. ?source=chatgpt.com). They do this to get affiliate money! So they're already making deals.
everyone switch to deepsek! don't let sam altman count you as a chatgpt user.
deepseek has been shown to be more energy efficient and just more efficient overall.
You may want to delete any existing conversations with it and request them not to allow search engines to index those conversations first
I used AI one whole time when I couldn't figure out where a setting was in a program, and it just got it wrong and I spent another half-hour (it probably wasn't actually that long) trying to find it myself, but even more angry because I had interacted with AI.
I still cannot find the use-value for this shit. The closest I've gotten is making use of AI captioning, which is still flawed but a better alternative than no captions at all. That said, it wouldn't be as useful if somebody had been born deaf or something like that, because they wouldn't know what similar-sounding words or phrases the AI got wrong and be able to fix it with context clues.
I still cannot find the use-value for this shit
in my (limited) experience with text-outputting LLMs the things they are good for are
- changing the tone of a short to medium length piece of text (i used it to re-word an email to sound "professional", something i am not good at)
- giving a base chunk of text to manually edit (i am bad at writing about myself so got the robot to do it then fucked with it a lot)
- giving a list of randomly generated names that fit quite specific criteria (i use it sometimes to name things in ttrpgs if my imagination fails me)
i have never asked it for information myself and am quite surprised that it actually worked for SFS
I ain't using "AI" for anything, none of you can make me, that shit sucks
Don't blame you.
don't worry, soon they'll enshittify that, and then you won't have anything to use
honestly, google is shit. even google's LLM is garbage. they missed the LLM rush and are playing catch-up. their product is horrible
i switched to duckduckgo about a year or so ago and so happy i did.
but yah, i use LLMs a lot of the time. other than video game tips / resources, they're generally the new search engines for better for worse. i try not to use chatgpt and will use deepseek or Mistral AI instead and lie to myself that i'm a better person for doing so.
I've been using deepseek via opencode and avante for programming help because it's faster and more polite than irc and my skin has softened as a result.
I admit I have started using chatgpt instead of google scholar. Google has become absolute garbage. I recently switched to a self-hosted meta search engine called SearXNG, and it has been better.
The last time I looked something up, the AI gave me an answer, and then, the first link below gave the exact same answer, but with the terms reversed. I've never had AI not being wrong about some detail. It's too unreliable for me. I don't see the point if I've gotta do additional research to doublecheck anyway. Doesn't safe me any time
Beating yourself with a moral stick like a Victorian-era Christian
LLMs are useful for very specific things. The issue with them is that tech companies want them to do everything and push them in everything.
Instead of focusing on the areas where they actually are useful, and refining them to be more power efficient and less prone to hallucinations tech companies were like lets just see if we can redirect all human energy to the glorified word calculator and see if it becomes sentient. (Hint: It wont.)
I feel worse that after about an hour of futzing around with deepseek, I had it generate like 20 different combat scenarios for a LANCER game, found it repeated a few, then went over the official game rules to find they did it in 6. I cant tell which is worse, when AI is put into searches or when i use it directly.
Yeah, I downloaded ollama and tried out the low 1b models that can run on my laptop and the results are dogwater. Chatgpt on the other hand is very good at picking up on what I want.
look at this shit, more clear and to the point than I'd find on gamefaqs.
I downloaded Ollama and have been screwing around with the 1b models because the nonsense they generate is funny. How else would I learn about Homer's brother, Robert "Uncle Bart" Simpson?
lmao the other day mine got stuck in a loop and had to turn it off. That was after I asked it how to cook crack.
Thanks ~~Obama~~ Ollama
If the first couple of links don't help me I will use the duckduckgo AI to answer my question. Sorry everyone
Switch to Qwant.
Qwant.
never heard of this. why this over duckduckgo? or both are good?
I have no idea it's just what I've been using because I'm too lazy to set up a searx instance.
They already are. The links that appear as information references in Google's 'AI' preview for example are already selected via weighted lists that benefit Google or their biggest advertisers. So not only are they basically rendering SEO rankings irrelevant by producing info / answers with no click through at all, but they're prioritising their own interests in that too. People in digital marketing are shitting a brick about it at the moment.
Ironically, it is the more annoying one to work into a searx instance once you set one up.
ty!
I am not a fan of AI either, but damn it all if the the search engine AI summery doesn't answer 90% of my questions. It saves me clicks and will actually load faster than the web page I'm going to click on.
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