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[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 29 points 1 month ago

This makes sense if cruelty is the point.

[-] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 11 points 1 month ago

Cruelty, yes, but let's not forget grift.

[-] fartographer@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

And cognitive dissonance. Gotta redraw those lines in the sand!

[-] Mirshe@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Not just cruelty. Someone else in another thread pointed out this is exactly what you would do if you're afraid of a civil war. Now, you've got an easily defended government center, and a large amount of people out in the streets that any opposing force will have to fight through in order to get to any of the governmental buildings (though really, we're only caring about the WH). Additionally, you have an oceanfront escape route if shit goes poorly.

[-] unconsequential@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 month ago

It’s never about the cost. It’s always about the hate.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 month ago

Even without the occupation, housing-first costs less.

The End of Policing.

According to Need

[-] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

People say these facts, but not the base fact that all these facts prove which is that this lifestyle and the narrative created is completely bullshit and we are being farmed. That's our reality but it's so fucked up nobody wants to believe it. Psychological warfare owns the path of society.

[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Breaking news Trump is a moron

[-] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago

Can someone explain to me, seriously…

why is there no one with the authority to deem him unfit to govern, and demand that he step down under duress of consequences? I mean, he is clearly addled and his entire administration is provenly grifting America- Why is no one demanding that he step down?

This seriously is the end of the road for me when it comes to making enough sense of any of this that that at least resembles a modicum of logic and rationality. At this point, I just can’t understand anything beyond why this isn’t a thing, and if it is,

what are they waiting for?

[-] maccam912@programming.dev 7 points 1 month ago

The only people with the power to decide he is unfit are all in congress, and playing a "my team vs your team" game. I'm assuming they think they'll look bad or weak or like traitors and are not willing to actually do it, or there are simply two distinct realities people live in, and in one of them he is perfectly fit to do the job.

[-] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

There needs to be a contingency. There’s no way we can go on with this. As long as you have the house and the senate, you’re above the law?

Someone needs to step in.

[-] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago

Everyone gave up.

Including myself, I'm moving.

[-] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

I envy you. I’m stuck here.

[-] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago

I mean, to be fair, I still need about a year to tie some things up so I might not even be able to leave at that point...

[-] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

I wish you the best, as I would anyone lucky enough to escape this shithole.

[-] ggiesen@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Come to Canada, we definitely need as many progressive voters as we can get.

[-] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

It's currently one of my options, but for a variety of family reasons it isn't the top option. But I do have a consulting gig that said they'd gladly sponsor me and help me navigate it.

[-] ibelieveinthehousehippo@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

I keep seeing Americans post things like this. There's no one coming to save you.

The American people are the ones who need to be making those demands. The government should fear the people, not the other way around. Isn't this scenario exactly why there's the second amendment?

Sorry to say that this problem has been allowed to progress to the point where it will be neither convenient nor easy to solve. It's going to take consistent collective action.

[-] abies_exarchia@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago

I think the top 2 comments i see ascribing this to ‘hate’ and ‘cruelty’ are missing the point. This literally is better for the capitalists’ bottom line. This can be entirely attributed to profit. The threat of violence (homelessness, etc) that the working class is kept precipitously close to powers this whole machine. If everybody was housed the threat of poverty would have less material consequence. Cruelty is not the point, in this case. Neither hate. Simply profit. Which in many ways is much more cold and insidious

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah but with that 4x budget they get to look like what they think is cool, they get to be openly racist fucks and they get to enact their cruel fantasies!

Money all worth!

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

countless after countless studies showed UBI will eliminate homelessness and wasteful bureaucracy to keep watch of welfare recipients and cheats

Everyone: Nah, we don't do that here.

[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Rich people in control of the city, it's businesses and services: nah, we don't do that here.

  • ftfy
[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

The man is world famous as a money mismanager

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 1 month ago

president "epstein" trying very hard to shift public focus away from himself, and the fact that ghislaine being on work release isnt gaining more attention is something.

[-] AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago

Nominative determinism strikes again.

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[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

I'm very supportive out housing the homeless as a fix, but to be clear math is on a per-day basis, it isn't some sort of long term fix.

I hate these stupid math headlines that don't actually make any sense.

Current deployment costs are around $1.1 million per day, housing all of those people in shelters at $45 per person works out to something like $250,000 per day.

This math calculation entirely ignores the fact that there aren't enough shelters to actually do that.

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 7 points 1 month ago

It's a simplistic calculation, but it does seem that often doing the right thing ends up cheaper in the long run. It just doesn't benefit certain groups, so it's not an option. If a million a day was applied to not just pay for sheltering, but to find solutions there wouldn't be a problem to throw authoritative measures at, or use as a reason to tighten security and control. They don't want to fix the problem, it works for them.

[-] wheezy@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

They will happily spend $10, $20, $40, $100 from the working class to put even an extra penny in the hands of the capitalist class

Michael Parenti talking about American empire and it's cost to the workers in the imperial core.

Which is fitting because I believe he also said (or he quoted someone that did)

Fascism is Imperialism turned inwards.

[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Would other costs go down over time? Housed people don’t need emergency healthcare nearly as much, and with a permanent address that would open doors to a lot of things.

[-] Archer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I can’t believe you would forget the interests of the shareholders here

[-] sznowicki@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

When communist were forced on Poland by soviets in 1945 one of their tasks for the next decade (that continued until 1980 collapse) was to build houses and give it to people. Other tasks were less nice like killing opposition, but housing was indeed how they decided to spent the resources.

US could start a massive communal housing programm on federal budget. They chose not to.

[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 2 points 1 month ago

We don't even need to build housing. That's the worst part.

We just need to outlaw landlords.

"But no one will purchase our valueable real estate and we lose money by keeping it!"

And what happens when you have a supply of housing that far exceeds demand? Well if it's an actual functioning economy the cost of housing decreases. The ifs are doing a lot of fucking lifting in this idea though.

[-] dangling_cat@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ok what about we increase the budget 4x? We can put each homeless person in hotel for $180 a day. The hotel shareholders would be happy too.

[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

He was never that good at numbers, that Donald guy.

[-] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Same as it ever was.

The Cruelty Is The Point.

They'd put all the money in a literal pile and set it on literal fire before they'd just help people who need the help.

If I had to characterize the US govt when it comes to helping its citizens I'd compare it to Immortan Joe.

Immortan Joe: Do not, my friends, become addicted to water. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!

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[-] xc2215x@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

What a waste.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 1 points 1 month ago

Are we great again yet?

[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Trump is a moron.

[-] zululove@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Look up how much we send to Israel to conduct a genocide

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Sure but helping the homeless would make them actual Christians following the teachings of Christ and we know that now what Republican Christians do.

[-] SwimmingInTheeStars@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Trump only ever claimed to be Christian to sell bibles.

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