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One surefire way to destroy capitalism is to not have kids, and honestly, why would you want to bring some poor innocent soul into this mess anyway. Get a vasectomy
Maybe the answer is more austerity?
always is
Remember back in the 90s when the message was that overpopulation will starve us all and now that the birth rate is declining in response to environmental and economic stress that's an equally huge crisis
population increase.
Bill Gates : "In populations where we don't want it..."
What a cool, stable economic system
Shhh if we talk about it too loudly the stockmen will get skittish and might balk, causing an economic downturn because they reacted to the possibility of one by dialing up the rat fucking in anticipation, heightening tensions and contradictions, and invariably causing a hiccup with a plethora of aftershocks.
It’s in the rulebook
Really cool how the porks are never ever at fault for anything despite literally being the authority.
“Aww sorry kiddo, no job for you! I scare easy and growing jobs numbers might make the money sad! Too risky!”
At the very least, these lazy ceos should be fired for gross incompetence. They failed to put the masses to work and should be fired for their incompetence.
“Overpopulation will starve you, here’s why that’s a good thing!”
Made me realize, the nuclear family is a failed concept under capitalism. When every facet of raising children is commodified, the working class is going to just stop having children. Though I also think there is a psychological factor to it too, with the alienation under capitalism making one question what is the purpose of bring a child into this world. And yet all of this is necessary for capitalism to reproduce itself, which is a huge contradiction that is only alleviated a bit by immigration.
Besides Engels' book, is there any other marxist analysis of the family structure?
It would seem a likely outcome for children in the US to end up in a camp at some point in their lives - either as an “undesirable” or as a guard. “Best case” scenario is that doesn’t happen, and they instead grow up to be a cog in a machine fueled by societal harm. I know there are lots of other factors- but my brain gets stuck on that.
Some books on my infinite to-read list:
The Anti-Social Family, by Michèle Barrett and Mary McIntosh
Abolish the Family:A Manifesto for Care and Liberation, by Sophie Lewis
No Future: Queer Theory and the Death Drive, by Lee Edelman
And that’s ignoring climate change
I’m not gonna bring a child into a world on fire
Martha Gimenez 'Marx, Women, and Social Reproduction' is hands down the best marxist analysis of gender and the family I have read.
https://www.haymarketbooks.org/books/1355-marx-women-and-capitalist-social-reproduction
Those Who Didn't Have The Means to Leave Omelas But Fuck If They're Gonna Socially Reproduce It
I remember over the summer hearing on NPR (mandatory puke sounds) about how the fertility rates are dropping below replacement everywhere (it's not) and nobody knows why (we do)
Nobody has a single clue as to why this could possibly be happening!?!!!!!1!!!?! Why does no one wanna kids!?!?!?!
Anyway it was real fucking frustrating to have pundits and the supersmart scientists dancing around the causes and painting all the white countries having declining birthrates as the biggest existential problem the world has ever known.
This kind of response makes perfect sense when you can't question underlying capitalist relations as being the source of the problem.
Yeah and it hurts so badly when you're forced to listen to libs orbit around the obvious problem but never able to see it or address it.
Just a series of unfortunate events, odd happenings co-occuring. Nobody knows how to put the peices together, and you can't either - don't try - since our smart well paid scientists tell us they're just as stumped as we are.
My children shall remain non-existent because they deserve a better future than what America will provide them with
My friends: "If you hate America so much, why do you still live here?"
Me, aloud: "I don't have any money."
Me, muttering: "If you love your children so much, why are you raising them here?"
My wife and I just don't want kids in general, but even if we did this would completely put a stop in any plans. It feels morally reprehensible to bring up a kid in this country today.
I blame Antifa.
Good. Let the frustration boil over.
thats why they want to control women.
Women control birth rates and can choke the machine.
They don't really have an answer to the natural reaction to austerity. Women can just stop fucking the loser men who support it and/or just stop having kids entirely.
That's why theyre pushing all this religious crap.
No paid leave for parenting, and that is just the tip of the iceberg of parenthood problems in an atomizing society, what do they expect?
It's really expensive here and I didn't have to pay a dime for the hospital and clinic visits or delivery or anything. I truly dont know how US people do it
A lot of us don't. I mean I guess that's the point of the article. My partner and I have said for years "maybe, someday, when we can afford it" and just... never could afford it. Now pushing 40 and still can't. A kid would be a catastrophic cost for us at the moment. Simple as.
The people I know with kids started families in their 30s when they had 2 partners with PMC jobs and lived near grandparents or other extended family. The boomers were able to have kids in their 20s and buy a house with one full time income. Shit is totally unsustainable.
It was also way more common for relatives/neighbours to watch & take care of the kids if the parents were busy. It does take a village to raise a child and now the village got bulldozed for 8-lanes of traffic and black and white condoslop.
Yeah the dissolution of community is a big part. I remember when Sister Hillary had a book titled "It Takes a Village" and people were roasting her, but the people lambasting her grew up with that extended support! They might even talk about how it used to be that way!, and then not make the connection that losing that informal extended support is a factor in people having fewer kids or having kids later.
Something else that I think disrupts this is the expectation that people will have to move away from their home towns and families to become established economically. And even have to pick up stakes and make significant moves every few years to maintain their standard of living through moving for jobs. Capitalism has uprooted people and now the upshot is that people aren't reproducing the workers, this is not complicated to savvy.
they fight, get divorces, move in with parents, work extra hours at shitty jobs they hate, carry debt at 20% interest, and jobs that have OK insurance + parental leave are very competitive, and many don't blink twice at directly exploiting many others if it means their offspring are secure. because that's all that matters: the legacy of direct lineage.
I love the "(at least arguably) good news presented as catastrophic because of the inherent contradictions of capitalism" genre of reporting
yeh ok good
Yeah all thw other comments on here I agree with but.... Have you seen the men 
There's even more redpill brainrot around and mf use AI to chat with women. Can you truly blame women its slim pickings
big assumption that men want kids either outside of some extra freak conservative groups
Oh no such sudden population decline will be catastrophic
Anyway let's kill immigrants trust me it will fix something
feeling mildly better about not being able to bear a child knowing that even if i was physically capable of doing so i would never be financially capable of it
Ummm…porky, no one OWES you kids. Stop being so entitled!
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