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Can you actually explain what is the same, please? Don't just say "text and pictures and hyperlinks". Please have something more precise than that. Please.
If it’s too unique, no one will adopt it. You gotta start with a formula people actually know how to use and then try to come up with something new and novel that’s actually useful and people like. Otherwise you just end up with https://youtu.be/fV2AprdWKk0
A counterpoint would be to ask which platforms digg and reddit began as clones of. Seems they were pretty unique and yet exploded almost from the beginning. Snapchat? Vine? They were both pretty unique.
To OPs point, basically all of the fediverse apps are clones, which aside from the federation element, don't add anything to the formula they are cloning. Even if you prefer the incremental strategy, where things are basically the same with a few new features, it would be hard to argue the fediverse apps even meet that bar. To the average user, federation is a technical issue they'd rather not be bothered with.
So I'm inclined to agree that this first wave of open source, federated social platforms have ended up, in terms of social features, pretty uninnovative. But before I sound too critical, I appreciate the work these app builders have put in, and clearly use the apps myself.
It may be a question of project scope. If what you aim to do is liberate yourself and your fellow nerds from corporate platforms, the clones suffice. If, perhaps, your aim is to liberate everyone, you'll need innovation in both the backend, and the social features to draw in everyone else.
Caveat - I've only really used Mastodon and Lemmy. Perhaps others are different.
Actually, social media work the opposite: each has to offer a unique social "challenge" to become popular. In X, you have to write an interesting post with hard constraints in length. In Instagram, you have to publish beautiful photos. In TikTok, you have to publish funny short videos.
Until now, open source has provided innovative technical solutions but zero innovation in term of "social interaction".
Most social media that got popular took something that people were already doing and brought it to a wider audience. Here are some examples:
Myspace
In the late 1990s and early 2000s, it was common for people, especially teenagers to make personal sites introducing themselves and linking to a few of their friends. Sometimes they would add life updates to the sites, but often linked to a blog hosted elsewhere (e.g. Livejournal). Myspace just institutionalized that.
At first, it was pretty much Myspace for adults, then it integrated something a lot like an internal RSS reader.
Flickr
As digital cameras became popular, people started putting photo albums on their personal sites. Flickr made it easy.
A blog and feed reader combination you could post to by SMS at a time when most phones didn't have internet.
Image-focused Twitter designed to be used from a smartphone.
A then-popular social bookmarking site called Delicious had a "popular" section for links many people bookmarked. Instead of people having to find the links independently, Reddit added vote arrows. Eventually they added comments and it became a forum, which is also a thing people were doing already.
Youtube
This is the exception. Hosting videos was ridiculously expensive in 2005 so people weren't doing it much. Youtube set VC money on fire until Google bought it and set Google money on fire for a decade or so until it finally started to be profitable.
There are new ones being made, they just don't have as easy of a time catching on as an alternative to a popular thing that already caught on. It is a lot easier to get traction when people are familiar with the concept.
It is like how tons of songs and movies and art gets made, but the popular stuff tends to lead to similar stuff also becoming popular.
What needs to be innovated on?
I'd say have a standard that everyone can use should be the goal. If people want to customize their own setups, that's on them.
They're all just ways of facilitating various forms of communication between people. Until we invent new ways of communication, new forms of media, etc, what could social media possibly innovate?
What? The fediverse is the only place you will find a variety of social media implementations all cooperating while also innovating in unique ways. There are dozens of different projects on the network, each with their own strengths and weaknesses. There's nothing else that compares to it when it comes to diversity of software.
For example, it may interest you to learn that I am not using lemmy right now.
How is the fediverse software innovating? Lemmy feels just like Reddit and Mastodon seems like Twitter but it doesn't have algorithms so in practice it feels more like a chat.
Saying that lemmy is just a copy of reddit is like saying that reddit is just a copy of Usenet. There are fundamental differences, but they have some obvious things in common. Even if mastodon is just twitter to you, then what exactly do you think misskey is? I'm posting from mbin here which is not quite like anything else.
I mean mbin is just Reddit + Twitter
Sure, sure, and Facebook is just Geocities + phpBB + surveillance capitalism. Nothing is new since 1995.
Facebook is not at all comparable to Geocities, displays the contents of every thread of a "section", and then invented Social Media by adding Feeds. Even disregarding the lattes, I don't see how Mbin is at all comparable.
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