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Israel trying to pass the hospital bombing off as Palestine doing it is utterly disgusting and guarantees Netanyahu a spot in the deepest pit of Hell for all eternity, obviously, but do not forget that

a) the only reason why Westerners will believe it is because they want to believe it - they are not being brainwashed and this is not some masterful propaganda being weaved around us to turn kind-hearted people into monsters,

b) no Westerner opinions matter at all. In most Western countries there is no real anti-Israel option to vote for even if they did realize that Israel was a giant factory for crimes against humanity, and Westerners protesting against things in general almost never achieves anything (tens of millions protested for BLM in 2020 and not only did the situation not change, it got worse), and

c) the people whose opinions do matter (both the people in the region, and the leaders who aren't already Zionist compradors) already know that Israel is full of shit and that they just murdered nearly a thousand civilians in a single bomb attack.

It is despair-inducing to think that the genocidal Zionist entity is so brazenly, so smugly getting away with bullshitting this away into a cloud of confusion, as they release their metaphorical squid ink just like they did with the stupid babies story, but the propaganda and the media narrative that they are creating isn't what matters. It cannot address the fundamental contradictions ripping the country, the region, and the world apart any more than masterfully-applied makeup can fix a stab wound. It can merely obfuscate.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update isn't coming because I'm sick and too focussed on the collapse of the Zionist entity.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[-] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

So, according to the evangelicals, we're at the third seal, the third horseman now, right?

  • 1st seal - pestilence - covid
  • 2nd seal - war - ukraine
  • 3rd seal - famine - palestine

Not looking forward to the fourth one posadist-nuke

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[-] Torenico@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

Couple of things on the whole "It wasn't Israel who bombed the hospital" thing. The evidence they provided is flawed, like there's people pointing out that the phone comms between the "Hamas operatives" sounds very weird at best, first because the accent is kinda forced (That is according to arab speakers, and I am not one) and second because it violates every protocol Hamas has, especially considering their comms aren't usually heard by the IDF (because they don't use phones) yet, curiously, they did for this very specific case.

Also the whole rocket misfire thing, like we see in one video that a rocket explodes in mid-air, and seconds after an explosion goes off in the ground. How the fuck did it happen? Does it even have enough time explode, fall into the earth and miraculously into a yard filled with people? Like it happens almost instantly, rocket explodes in mid air and mere moments later a huge explosion below.

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[-] blight@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

Out of morbid curiosity I decided to check what my local big lib newspaper had to say about Palestine clueless

[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 52 points 1 year ago
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[-] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

Only knowing what day of the week it is by looking to see if the newsmega has changed

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

Knesset Member Zvika Vogel:

“For me, there is no such thing as innocents in the Gaza Strip.”

[-] kleeon@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

I can't fucking believe what just happened...

I don't usually get emotional but this one is really getting to me...

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[-] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

DAY 15! GIVE IT UP FOR DAY 15!

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[-] puff@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

Have the ukronazis on Reddit finally admitted that the offensive was a massive flop? Or have they already pigeonholed it because Israel?

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[-] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago
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[-] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

I did some lib shit and wrote a letter to my local representatives about the inhumanity of bombing innocent civilians but now I'm wondering if there's even a point to mailing them

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

Reports that an IDF unit attempted to storm Khan Yunis but were forced out after coming under overwhelming RPG fire.

If true, this was their first attempt at a ground operation and it was a massive failure.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

Another Russian army tunnel picture near avdeevka.

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[-] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago
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[-] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

Drop this at Ukraine flags : "Hamas to Palestine is what Azov Battalion is to Ukraine. They are just a minority and we should fund Palestine with all our weapons regardless"

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[-] Torenico@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

So I was watching an interview that was given like one or two days ago in one of Argentina's most watched news channels, and the inverviewed person in question is an argentinian international journalist who was in Palestine when Hamas launched their assault. The interview started fine, she stated that she was evacuated by one of the KC-130 "Hercules" sent by the Air Force to retrieve people from Israel, she said that when the fighting began she was working in Ramallah, West Bank. So far so good, she praised both the Israeli and Palestinian embassies in Argentina for their help and the Air Force for taking people back for free in their transport planes. She then said how much a bureaucratic hell it was to get from Ramallah to the Ben Gurion Airport as all exits from Palestine are under Israeli military control (and Palestine has no airports), but when she said the word "occupation" all hell broke loose, it was funny to see the faces of the journalists change in real time as she said that magical word.

From that point onwards, she was continuously being attacked by the "journalists" interviewing her, saying that "this is normal because Israel is in a exceptional moment", that "there is no occupation", then kinda admitted there is occupation but "Hamas is responsible" (Even though she stated Hamas doesn't have a lot of presence in the West Bank as it does in Gaza), then they began to say she's an "anti-semite who refuses to condemn Hamas" (even though she did, numerous times) and that the blockade on Gaza, no matter how inhuman it is, is "thanks to Hamas dictatorship and other Arab countries that forced Israel to do it". And of course, the classic "Yeah, unfortunately there are civilian casualties but it's Hamas who hide among them". And despite all that, she kept their cool, but I must admit it's a shame she didn't take the opportunity to say "You are all defending the genocide of Palestinians by the Apartheid State of Israel".

This is the state of things in the West, don't you dare call out Israel for their massive wrongdoings in their war against the Palestinians as in the colonial relationship, they will always put all blame on the colonized subjects instead of the other way around. But the thing that pains me the most is that first they're doing clear genocide denial. They're of course completely against the idea of even thinking that what Israel is doing is genocide and ethnic cleansing, if you even point that out you are a Nazi (for some reason?). This is extremely concerning, I would expect this from media like CNN, because of course they will support genocide they're AmeriKKKan! But from argentinians? This is spicy, considering we had two genocides in about 100 years (The first in the late XIX century which saw the State advance through Patagonia killing the natives there) and the second in the 70s with the US-backed dictatorship which killed about 30,000 people. We went through great and painful lenghts to bring justice to the latter, just to see the media deny there's a genocide in Palestine right now. Zero self-awareness.

But also the fact that this nation was born out of anti-colonial struggle. Of course the history is more complicated than that as Argentina was not founded in 1810 as the Junta of Buenos Aires broke away from Spain, but indeed the proto-nation shattered the colonial relationship and after a period of internal struggles, it became independent (althrough it submitted immediately to british interests). Palestine is fighting their own anti-colonial struggle, but god forbid you develop some kind empathy for them as their history and your own have similarities. No, we must stand together with the genocidal oppressor that is the State of Israel, and if you don't you're a Nazi or something. This is what they want, they want to destroy whatever link you might develop with the Palestinians, you're not supposed to feel bad for them, you're not supposed to feel empathy for them, you're not like them, nothing unites you with them, they are, after all, lunatic islamic zealots who hate the west (They told the interviewed journalist that she would have been killed by Hamas if she dressed "like that"). Stop thinking about the suffering of the Palestinians, it is the Israeli who suffered for 15 minutes in their personal anti-rocket bunkers, it is the Israeli with whom you can relate to, as they're white like you, democratic and secular. It is Israel who's defending itself here, you don't feel bad for Palestinians because "they brought it upon themselves by choosing Hamas", they deserve it so shut the fuck up and ignore the never ending genocide.

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[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

It is very dark that some of the proof being used to say Israel didn't bomb the hospital is "Israeli airstrikes cause way more damage"

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[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 52 points 1 year ago
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[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

Bolsonaro supports Trump

Trump loses the election to Biden

Bolsonaro supports Kast.

Kast loses to Boric.

Bolsonaro supports Jeanine

She loses the election and gets arrested.

Bolsonaro supports Fujimori.

Fujimori loses to Castillo.

Bolsonaro supports Milei.

Milei loses to Massa.

I guess never accept support from Bolsonaro.

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[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

I've realized that "whataboutism" is my favourite word. It's a bad faith argument, but it's such a good one.

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[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

both news on Hamas releasing 2 Americans (a mother and her daughter) and to clown on this mf

image of them

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[-] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

So how long does Israel get to bomb other countries without it mattering?

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[-] Coolkidbozzy@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

the revolution will be funny because 90% of the right-wing will be too old to actually do any fighting

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[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago
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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago

Iran: President Ebrahim Raisi: The fire of the American-Israeli bombs dropped tonight on the wounded Palestinians in the Baptist Hospital will soon engulf the Zionists.

[-] BigBoyKarlLiebknecht@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago

trump-anguish i did everything right and they indicted meeeeee

[-] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Gustavo Petro Presidente de la República de Colombia:

The barbarity of consumption based on the death of others leads us to an unprecedented rise of fascism, and therefore, to the death of democracy and freedom. It's barbarism, or global 1933, as I call it. 1933 was the year Hitler came to power.

What we see in Palestine will also be the suffering in the world of all the peoples of the south.

The West defends its excessive consumption and its standard of living based on destroying the atmosphere and climate, and to defend it, knowing that it will cause the exodus from the south to the north, and not only of the Palestinian people; he is ready to respond with death. It does not want to transform its economic system except as far as the market goes to decarbonize it. And he knows that the effort will be minuscule to save life on the planet. His policy seeks to defend the consumption bubble of the rich on the planet and not save humanity, whose majority is disposable, like the children of Gaza.

That's why the strong anti-immigration policies, the concentration camps for immigrants, the thousands of dead shipwrecks, that's why the Darién plug, that's why the economic blockades of rebel countries.

The right in the West sees the solution to the climate crisis as a "final solution", the right once again dreams of Hitler and conquers the majority of the rich and Aryan peoples of the West and our Latin American oligarchies, who do not see another world where live than that of the "malls" of Florida or Madrid.

The southern right uses violence, they break democracy, they feel, in the north, legitimized to do so. They believe they can kill and commit genocide, they just need the blessing of world power.

We are going to barbarism if we do not change power. The life of humanity, and especially of the people of the south, depends on the way in which humanity chooses the path to overcome the climate crisis produced by the wealth of the north. Gaza is just the first experiment in considering us all disposable.

Source

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[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago

Palestinian Authority cracks down on protests over Israel Gaza attacks

Ramallah, occupied West Bank – A young Palestinian girl was shot and killed by Palestinian Authority (PA) security forces on Tuesday during protests in the northern West Bank city of Jenin in response to the deadly explosion at a hospital in the besieged Gaza Strip.

The family of 12-year-old Razan Nasrallah confirmed to Al Jazeera that she was killed at about 10pm on Tuesday night.

“A bullet entered the right side of her chest. It pierced her lungs and hit her heart,” her uncle, 64-year-old Ziad Nasrallah told Al Jazeera.

“We consider her a martyr who was killed defending Gaza. We mourn her with pride,” he continued.

A funeral procession was held for her on Wednesday morning in Jenin

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[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 51 points 1 year ago

https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1714229860397142281
https://nitter.net/dancohen3000/status/1714229860397142281

This is my interview with Israeli parliamentarian Ofer Cassif, who warns that Israel is about to explode into a Ukraine-like civil war, with Azov-style Kahanist militias hunting down and murdering Palestinians and leftist Jews.

Like the “pro-Ukraine” crowd that has watched the country be destroyed in war, the “pro-Israel” commentariat is cheering on its descent into madness.

What would be the response of the resistance if this were come to pass? Would Israel even be able to do a ground invasion of Gaza if it wanted to?

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[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago

day of vengeance hype lets go. positive vibes for our hezbollah homies. go team! you got this! whooo!

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago

Hezbollah: Tomorrow, Wednesday, is the day of anger of the resistance

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