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Israel trying to pass the hospital bombing off as Palestine doing it is utterly disgusting and guarantees Netanyahu a spot in the deepest pit of Hell for all eternity, obviously, but do not forget that

a) the only reason why Westerners will believe it is because they want to believe it - they are not being brainwashed and this is not some masterful propaganda being weaved around us to turn kind-hearted people into monsters,

b) no Westerner opinions matter at all. In most Western countries there is no real anti-Israel option to vote for even if they did realize that Israel was a giant factory for crimes against humanity, and Westerners protesting against things in general almost never achieves anything (tens of millions protested for BLM in 2020 and not only did the situation not change, it got worse), and

c) the people whose opinions do matter (both the people in the region, and the leaders who aren't already Zionist compradors) already know that Israel is full of shit and that they just murdered nearly a thousand civilians in a single bomb attack.

It is despair-inducing to think that the genocidal Zionist entity is so brazenly, so smugly getting away with bullshitting this away into a cloud of confusion, as they release their metaphorical squid ink just like they did with the stupid babies story, but the propaganda and the media narrative that they are creating isn't what matters. It cannot address the fundamental contradictions ripping the country, the region, and the world apart any more than masterfully-applied makeup can fix a stab wound. It can merely obfuscate.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update isn't coming because I'm sick and too focussed on the collapse of the Zionist entity.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 66 points 1 year ago

It was good going to the Free Palestine protest yesterday, way bigger crowd than the one I went to last week

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 66 points 1 year ago

Israel will not interfere with the supply of humanitarian aid from Egypt to population in need of the Gaza Strip, Netanyahu's office stated

I don't believe them

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wall Street Journal:

"The bomb that was thrown at Baptist Hospital was an American MK-84."

Could be incorrect. Needs verifying.

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[-] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

anyone else get the feeling that we're on the brink of a proper world war 3?

and here i am, just kinda sat here posting half cut lol
wonder if people in the past felt like this

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[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 66 points 1 year ago

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has called Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas to offer condolences and voice support for Palestinians’ “legitimate aspirations,” the State Department has said.

Fuck you

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[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 66 points 1 year ago

Wake up, feel like shit, check the news, feel like shit, check hexbear, feel like shit

fun days

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I wanna add here that if the reports of field hospitals going up in Galilee are true then this 100% guarantees that the ground operation is now happening. These are preparations for something they know they will need, not a "just in case" thing.

This war is happening.

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[-] Tervell@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

interesting article I came across in view of some recent discussions about carriers and their continued relevancy (archived)

Now, the take here is maybe a bit too hard against carriers, but there's still some interesting points

But, in my judgment, these battles also illustrated the fact that the aircraft carrier, for all its advantages, was acutely vulnerable to airstrikes. Subsequent US success in the War in the Pacific was largely due to its extraordinary capability to produce carriers (and all other types of ships) in historically unprecedented numbers, and to keep them manned with well-trained air crews. After the Battle of Midway, the Japanese were never able to match the Americans in either respect.

That said, the vulnerability of the aircraft carrier to airstrikes never diminished, and even as the Japanese navy shriveled away to a faint shadow of its former self in late 1944, the susceptibility of all surface ships to attacks from the air became more and more apparent.

The most interesting part was the idea that we've actually already seen how a fleet can be damaged by precision-guided missiles - all the way back in WW2, it's just that the "missiles" in this case were actual planes flown by human pilots in kamikaze attacks.

The so-called kamikaze attacks reached their zenith in the spring 1945 Battle of Okinawa, where ~1500 pilots and aircraft were expended, and inflicted substantial damage on large numbers of US warships. According to a 1999 US Air Force analysis, by the end of the war ~3000 kamikaze sorties resulted in the sinking of 34 US warships and damaged 368 others, with a “hit” ratio of almost 20%. In my estimation, this is a rather extraordinary success rate when one considers the pronounced disadvantages they faced:

  • Kamikaze planes were flown by woefully undertrained Japanese pilots (a great many of them only teenagers) flying what were, by then, even more woefully obsolete aircraft.
  • The aircraft typically carried less than about 500 lbs. of munitions, often in the form of two 200 kg bombs which lacked the explosive punch necessary to do serious damage to a large warship – therefore multiple strikes on the same ship were required.
  • The US Navy moved heaven and earth in a substantially inefficacious attempt to prevent the strikes, including massive numbers of aircraft flying combat air patrol out to maximum distances, and many scores of smaller warships deployed in vast arrays of screening ships.

The simple fact was that, despite the highly focused effort to interdict them, US defenses were frequently overwhelmed by large and determined “salvos” of this first generation of precision-guided anti-ship missiles. ... Nevertheless, the kamikaze demonstrated incontrovertibly that warships in general, and aircraft carriers in particular, were – and would continue to be – extremely vulnerable to large salvos of precision-guided munitions. That vulnerability not only persists to the present day, but is unquestionably more acute than ever before due to the fact that anti-ship missile technologies have advanced much further in the post-World War II era than has the capability of the targeted ships to defeat them.

Altogether, the fleet arrayed off the shores of Okinawa consisted of over 600 ships! Nothing even remotely approximating this huge fleet had ever been seen, and quite likely never will be again. The configuration of current US carrier strike groups consists of a single carrier, 1 guided-missile cruiser, and 3 – 4 destroyers and/or frigates. So, in a potential battle today between a US carrier strike group and a peer or near-peer adversary, a mere half-dozen ships with an extremely limited number of defenses will face massed salvos of hundreds of cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, supersonic and hypersonic anti-ship missiles, and dozens of submarines with many hundreds of torpedoes – all of which deploy large modern warheads capable of inflicting a mortal blow against any of the ships in the group.

US naval power apologists may argue that the array of defenses on these ships is much more capable than in World War II. But it simply does not matter. It won’t be enough. Regardless of how one attempts to crunch the numbers, a putative engagement between a carrier strike group and the PLA Navy in the South China Sea would entail simultaneous massed attacks of precision-guided anti-ship missiles zooming in from all points of the compass.

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[-] edge@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My county commission just unanimously passed a resolution affirming support for Israel. After the hospital bombing. Part of the "whereas" section of the resolution - essentially the justification for the resolution - says the following (emphasis mine):

WHEREAS we encourage and support efforts of Israeli leadership to reduce harm to uninvolved civilians who may be used as human shields to protect weaponry and leadership located and imbedded [sic] in civilian structures such as schools, hospitals, and mosques

Again, this was like 2 hours ago, long after the hospital bombing was well known. "...efforts of Israeli leadership to reduce harm to uninvolved civilians...".

...efforts of Israeli leadership to reduce harm to uninvolved civilians...

...efforts of Israeli leadership to reduce harm to uninvolved civilians...

screm-a AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Also, this is two days after a pro-Palestine rally was held in the city the county commission is based. A large portion of the protesters were Palestinian or otherwise Arabic. No way that nobody on the county commission thought about the rally before passing this. Reportedly around a dozen people registered to speak at the meeting, one of them had to have brought up the hospital. I don't know for sure though because I don't think they broadcast it.

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[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago

BREAKING: Over 400 Palestinians—Christians and Muslims—were taking shelter in the Greek Orthodox Church when the IOF bombed it moments ago on top of the heads of the martyrs, wounded, and missing.

"We have nowhere left to go. My house was bombed. Where do I go now?"

Another survivor said, "The entire building collapsed into the ground. No one can come out, and we can't remove anyone. It's impossible that anyone is alive. This is the goal of the occupation."

He is interrupted, "The Church of Saint Porphyrius was bombed! The gathering place of Christians! For 2,000 years it has stood, and today, the Jews demolished it! It doesn't have weapons or anything, just children! Over 500 people are missing! All of the Christians of Gaza are gone." Notably, the church is the third oldest church in the world.

The IOF continues to target Gazans—in their homes or displaced seeking shelter in hospitals, mosques, or churches—indiscriminately and without warning.

from https://t.me/PalestineResist/15803?single

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[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Statements made from Abdel Aziz Belkhadem (Former Algerian prime minister/former foreign minister) 19/10/2023

"The Hamas operation has proved to the world that the zionist army is a bunch cowards and unable to fight. and that in three hours the resistance has destroyed the invincible army lie. and history proves that the people of the land can defeat any invading force no matter what"

"we refuse to call anyone who protects their land a terrorist... during the revolution France called us terrorists and Fallaga"

"Arab countries that have made peace with the zionist entity are only lying to themselves to justify their betrayal, there's no peace to be made from that"

"What Mahmoud Abbas has said is disappointing, if Hamas doesn't represents Palestinians, then who does it represent? Martians? the resistance army are all the sons of Palestine and Al Qods, he who is shied by the ones fighting for the freedom of Palestine should be ashamed of himself" he also added that "the US army is a contributor to the crimes"

"The US army has assisted the zionist entity with two carriers and has promised 20 trucks of aid to pass... the zionists pay high prices for their propaganda, but it's worth zero in here... the zionists and the US are afraid of the morality drop from the land invasion they keep delaying... the western media is zionist... the entirety of Algeria is for Palestine from president to citizen"

"Al Qods flood is nothing like it has ever been before... this operation is the beginning of freeing Palestine from the river to the sea... the occupation forces are trying to deport the Palestinians into Egypt and Jordan because their first Nakba failed"

sourcehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvxV4szfrLY

On the same day more than 900k Algerians went on marches for Gaza (idk how to say it in english), also I was there and I held a genocide Joe sign.

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[-] supafuzz@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago

Important note about the church bombing: Greek Orthodoxy and Eastern Orthodoxy are branches of the same church. Presumably this is going to drive another wedge between Israel and Russia. At this rate the genociders are going to have exactly one friend left by the end of the week.

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[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago

Last week's thread was approaching double the Hexbear comments record. Exceptional posting everybody. Let's see what decades this week has in store for us.

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[-] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago

So is Israel even rescuing the Hostages? It seems like they have killed quite a few in their bombing campaign.

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[-] thirtymilliondeadfish@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago

A group of protestors blocked the entrance to the joint Australian-US Defence facility Pine Gap, near Alice Springs in a pro-Palestinian demonstration this morning.

A dozen people holding "Free Palestine" signs were chanting prayers and pro-Palestinian statements, centred around a singular protester who had their arm stuck inside a heavy concrete barrel.

It's believed nearly 100 staff and contractors at Pine Gap were prevented from entering the site.

Protestor and Central Arrernte man Declan-Furber Gillick said the group had gathered to take a stand against the Australian government's "appalling, shameful hypocrisy" in supporting "Israeli continued domination and occupation" of Palestinian lands.

"I reject the assertion that Hamas or any Palestinian group armed or otherwise instigated this war," he said.

"These recent responses by Hamas as an organisation are … the direct response to decades and decades and decades of repression of the Palestinian people."

Northern Territory police and emergency services attended the scene, directing the protestors off the road, while firefighters used an angle grinder to break the barrel open.

The main protester has since been arrested by police.

[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

🇵🇸🇺🇲 A photograph has been published showing two freed hostages who were held by Hamas for two weeks.

In response to the release, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said that "the United States does not believe Hamas' statements are credible and is demanding the release of all hostages without preconditions."

https://t.me/intelslava/52500

Hamas should have never released any US hostages, and they would be stupid to release any more, because Genocide Joe and Apartheid Antony can't be trusted.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Israel bombed the hospital to prevent de-escalation? Plausible.

Psychotic though, given that I don't think they can win.

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[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Went into an old Reddit thread on Ukraine from a year ago. Clicked on the posting histories for the most rabid pro-Ukraine accounts and every single one was rabidly pro-Israel. It really is like clockwork.

btw does the "Russian Military is weak" narrative have any merit to it? It gets spread around a lot in Western media and those who absorb a lot of Western media, but is there any truth to it?

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[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Since the morning, we are getting calls on our mobile phones with a recording by the Israeli army. It says any person who has returned to or is still in Gaza City is a terrorist and is considered a collaborator.

They say that whoever remains in Gaza City will bear the consequences.

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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago

Massive protests happening....well literally everywhere

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[-] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago

If it hadn't been for Genocide Joe I'd been married long time ago Where did you come from? Where did you go? Where did you come from, Genocide Joe? If it hadn't been for Genocide Joe I'd been married long time ago Where did you come from? Where did you go? Where did you come from, Genocide Joe? If it hadn't been for Genocide Joe I'd been married long time ago Where did you come from? Where did you go? Where did you come from, Genocide Joe? If it hadn't been for Genocide Joe I'd been married long time ago Where did you come from? Where did you go? Where did you come from, Genocide Joe?

[Verse 1] He came to town like a midwinter storm He rode through the fields, so ancient and frail His eyes was his tools and his smile was his gun But all he had come for was havin' some fun

[Chorus] If it hadn't been for Genocide Joe I'd been married long time ago Where did you come from? Where did you go? Where did you come from, Genocide Joe? If it hadn't been for Genocide Joe I'd been married long time ago Where did you come from? Where did you go? Where did you come from, Genocide Joe?

[Verse 2] He brought disaster wherever he went The lives of the folks was to hell broken sent They all ran away so nobody would know And left only bodies 'cuz of Genocide Joe

[Chorus] repeats 4x

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[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago
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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago

Now that there are mass protests in Kurdistan, safe to say the US has permanently lost the middle east

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[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago

The government of Honduras has announced that it will promote a draft law to recognize and protect the rights of Indigenous and Afro-Honduran peoples, who represent 12 percent of the country's population.

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Before the war 400 trucks of commercial import/export a day went into Gaza.

Recently: 20 trucks of aid.

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US media: Aid trucks are going into Gaza.

[I made an edit. And then I had to yet second edit to improve on the first edit. One day I'll get the hang of this.]

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago

https://streamable.com/efk2kz

Israel Defense Forces on Twitter/X: — "From a comprehensive investigation and cross-checking of all the operational and intelligence systems, it is clear that the IDF did not attack the hospital in Gaza.

The hospital was damaged as a result of a failed launch by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorist organization.

The terrorist organizations in the Gaza Strip shoot indiscriminately at Israel, endangering and harming the residents of the Gaza Strip as well.

Since the beginning of the war, approximately 450 rockets have been launched by the terrorist organizations that fell in the Gaza Strip"

"We have investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong".

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[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago

The western media is disgusting in how it refuses to call out obvious zionist lies about the hospital bombing.

Who bombed the hospital?

  • The people who had the means to do so, who has expressed genocidal intent against the people in the hospital and who was bombing the hospital a few days before this bombing, who were initially claiming the victims deserved it and who can only present obviously fake videos in their defense or
  • The people who have never before had weaponry to make an explosion this big?

Well, they both said the other guys did it so I guess we just can't know.

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[-] TomBombadil@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago

It is reported that one of the zionist soldiers who was killed at the border with Lebanon since the start of Al-Aqsa Flood was an American settler, 22 years of age, who traveled to “israel” from the United States specifically to fight in this war.

What the hell already got people so eager for a reason to kill that withen weeks they're there.

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[-] wombat@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago

literally everything the IDF says is a lie and their "evidence" is fake. How are people still falling for this shit after a year and a half of Ukraine disinformation

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[-] Eldungeon2@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago

The media gaslighting people into believing the Shaggy "it wasn't me" defense

[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago
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[-] theother2020@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago

This has probably been said, but if Trump were president, the Dems/libs and even the West more broadly would be more critical of the war crimes in Gaza. Trump is a bridge too far for libs. I don’t think they would line up in lock step with him like they did with Dubya after 911. And make no mistake they hated Bush with a passion that was almost Trump Derangement Syndrome levels. Now of course the quirky artist has been thoroughly rehabilitated.

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[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ooooh I just see now that I got Bernie’s email about “Gaza”. Gonna lay into that social fascist real good (I know no one’s gonna read it ofc, it’s just cathartic for me).

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[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 64 points 1 year ago

https://nitter.net/JeanneTheoharis/status/1714808818830319640

I'm a professor at Brooklyn College. We just received a terrifying message: "Due to recent dire events overseas, there is a possibility that the Department of Defense might activate varied servicemembers by or before November 1, 2023" to make arrangements for these students.

Something’s got the pentagon spooked oh boy posadist-nuke

(Not confirmed blah blah could just be getting ready for anything blah blah let me doom about this alright)

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[-] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago

An interesting phenomenon that I noticed this year is how chuds said they could recruit Muslims because they opposed woke ideology, but threw that idea out of the window after Hamas became an enemy.

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[-] puff@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago

If it hadn't been for genocide Joe We'd have had world peace a long time ago Where did your brain drip, where did it go? Time for your nap now, genocide Joe

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[-] thirtymilliondeadfish@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago

The IOF abducted 78 Palestinians across the West Bank this morning.

This brings the number of arrests in the West Bank and Al-Quds since October 7th to over 1,000.

Further, the IOF has kidnapped an estimated 4,000 Gazan workers employed in the West Bank and occupied interior, keeping them in secret detention camps. #FreeThemAll

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[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago

China writes angry letter: blob-sleep

Xi gets Chen Weihua to write it: meow-shining

[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago

Speechless at this — German Chancellor Olaf Scholz wants to reduce the number of refugees, and tells Der Spiegel, "We finally need large-scale deportations"

https://nitter.net/nthnashma/status/1715327313309516025#m

[-] kleeon@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago

love hearing that from a German Chancellor

hitler-detector

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