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Israel trying to pass the hospital bombing off as Palestine doing it is utterly disgusting and guarantees Netanyahu a spot in the deepest pit of Hell for all eternity, obviously, but do not forget that

a) the only reason why Westerners will believe it is because they want to believe it - they are not being brainwashed and this is not some masterful propaganda being weaved around us to turn kind-hearted people into monsters,

b) no Westerner opinions matter at all. In most Western countries there is no real anti-Israel option to vote for even if they did realize that Israel was a giant factory for crimes against humanity, and Westerners protesting against things in general almost never achieves anything (tens of millions protested for BLM in 2020 and not only did the situation not change, it got worse), and

c) the people whose opinions do matter (both the people in the region, and the leaders who aren't already Zionist compradors) already know that Israel is full of shit and that they just murdered nearly a thousand civilians in a single bomb attack.

It is despair-inducing to think that the genocidal Zionist entity is so brazenly, so smugly getting away with bullshitting this away into a cloud of confusion, as they release their metaphorical squid ink just like they did with the stupid babies story, but the propaganda and the media narrative that they are creating isn't what matters. It cannot address the fundamental contradictions ripping the country, the region, and the world apart any more than masterfully-applied makeup can fix a stab wound. It can merely obfuscate.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update isn't coming because I'm sick and too focussed on the collapse of the Zionist entity.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

🇵🇸🇺🇲 A photograph has been published showing two freed hostages who were held by Hamas for two weeks.

In response to the release, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said that "the United States does not believe Hamas' statements are credible and is demanding the release of all hostages without preconditions."

https://t.me/intelslava/52500

Hamas should have never released any US hostages, and they would be stupid to release any more, because Genocide Joe and Apartheid Antony can't be trusted.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago

The former hostages look like the only people in this photo having a nice time

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

Hamas's statements about what?

[-] Rojo27@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

Hamas said that Genocide Joe was shidding and farding on his visit to Israel, but Apartheid Antony knows better because he was his shadow for the entire trip.

[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-remarks-to-the-press-13/

::: spoiler It's a not completely direct quote from his press conference today

QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, just following up on that, Hamas has issued a statement through Abu Obaida, and I know the huge caveat that it’s a terror group and one does not attach credibility to that, but they have said that all the hostages – the civilian hostages, which include the Americans – could be released, that this could be the start of something bigger if there are no airstrikes. Would this be a moment where if – under Israel’s discretion, obviously – it would be wise to pause, to give it more time, to see if this is a moment, since the ground invasion has not started – should even the airstrikes be stopped to see if you could get more people out?

And it was notable, without going into details, that in the President’s statement he said – he expressed his thanks to Israel – to Qatar, rather – in partnership with Israel, a notable connection there. The obvious inference is that they were working together on this. Does this give you hope that, despite everything that’s happened, that there could still be a broader relationship and avoid a wider war?

APARTHEID ANTONY: Thanks, Andrea. So two things there. First, it’s very simple. Hostages should be released immediately and unconditionally. That’s been our position from day one; it remains our position. And to your point, I would not take anything that Hamas says at face value. I’m not sure anyone in this room would take at face value or report something that ISIS had said – same applies to Hamas. Our position is clear: Every hostage needs to be released and needs to be released now.

There is no doubt from my own travels in the region that one of the important things throughout this very difficult period, and since the unconscionable attack by Hamas, is to continue to find ways for countries to cooperate, coordinate, when it’s in their interest to do so. And we’ll continue to look to that. Any cooperation that we can elicit that facilitates the release of hostages, any cooperation that we can elicit that secures the provision of humanitarian assistance to the men, women, and children in Gaza who so desperately need it, we work on that every day. And I think we can say that we’ve seen some of that cooperation.

The broader question, though, I think, is hugely important because what’s abundantly clear is the vast majority of countries, the vast majority of people, want the same thing. They want a region where countries are working together, where relations are normalized, where there’s greater integration, where people are working together, studying together, traveling, doing business. The overwhelming majority of people want that. And we want to see as well the rights and aspirations of the Palestinian people fulfilled in the context of that kind of region.

And that’s one vision, and it remains very much alive in every conversation that I had. The alternative is equally clear, and it’s very stark: it’s Hamas, it’s Hizballah, it’s Iran, it’s destruction, it’s death, it’s terrorism, it’s darkness. So the more we are able to make real that first vision, the more I’m convinced that that’s the vision that everyone, or virtually everyone, will subscribe to.

So even as we are working through this challenge, this crisis, it’s important to keep that vision alive because it’s important that people know that there is an alternative, and that everything that they hope for and that they aspire to is going to be best addressed through what I’ve just described, that first vision. We’ll continue to do that.

[-] pillow@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

where relations are normalized, where there’s greater integration, where people are working together, studying together, traveling, doing business

where 2 million people are being quietly exterminated in the world's largest concentration camp but nobody cares and the money printer can keep running without any annoying interruptions

[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

Honestly I think Hamas just realized "nobody is getting out alive whether we release them or not but if we can save their lives and maybe they'll tell our story."

[-] Venus@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

Those hostages look remarkably clean, healthy, and unharmed. I can hear the disappointment of Western media execs everywhere

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