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Party sticks to its guns on healthcare and says it’s willing to hold out – much to the delight of its progressive supporters

When he sat down to talk about the US government shutdown with reporters from a closely read political newsletter this week, Chuck Schumer sounded as if he was relishing his standoff with the Republicans.

“Every day gets better for us,” he told Punchbowl News. As the shutdown got under way, Schumer explained, the Republican part believed that Democrats would quickly fold and vote to reopen the government, but instead they had stuck to their guns for a week and a half, demanding an array of concessions on healthcare and other issues.

Outrage followed from Republicans, who printed out the Senate minority leader’s remark on posters and condemned it before press conferences. The shutdown has prompted federal agencies to close or curtail operations nationwide, and forced hundreds of thousands of employees to stay home without immediate pay. Schumer, Republicans argued, was being callous.

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[-] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

When assessing the bias of an article, look at how it ascribes all of the agency to one party.

Chuck Schumer sounded as if he were relishing his standoff with the Republicans

What Chuck Schumer is doing right now, it’s sickening.”

Democrats are maximizing the leverage they have

Outrage followed from Republicans, who printed out the Senate minority leader’s remark on posters and condemned it

the White House took it upon itself to increase the misery for government employees when Russ Vought, the director of the office of management and budget, began following through on his threat to carry out layoffs.

Notice how Republicans never simply do anything? The one action this article ascribes to Republicans is "following through on his threat".

Republican layoffs are deep inside a complicated sentence, well beneath the fold. But the HEADLINE, is...that the minority party refuses to vote for a bill they didn't get any input into. The fact they weren't allowed any input is unmentioned in the article.

[-] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

"What Chuck Schumer is doing right now, it’s sickening."

Who was it that called a recess early and hasn't backed down on ACA subsidies?

I must have Mike confused with Chuck.

[-] nibble4bits@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago

The Speaker of the House has the power to keep everyone in session for as long as it takes to pass anything. Instead of voting over and over until anything passes, he's sent them away. The Democrats COULDN'T vote to pass right now, because only Mike Johnson can call them in to vote.

[-] Atom@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

"Democrats are being callous" against federal workers, they say, as their King fires a third of them and asks if he can NOT pay them when the shutdown ends.

[-] Atlas48@ttrpg.network 14 points 1 month ago

Democrats refuse to fold

check the temperature in hell.

[-] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Cold.... REALLY cold

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 month ago

So the Republicans control all three branches of government, including both houses of Congress, and it's the Democrats' fault that they can't pass a budget?

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

I'm not American and I dont understand this part.

What do they need the democrats to do in order to pass the budget?

[-] Soulg@ani.social 3 points 1 month ago

They need 60 votes and not a simple majority so they need some Democrats to approve the vote

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[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 13 points 1 month ago

I am pleasantly surprised that they didn't fold. Hopefully they keep it up.

[-] GEESELICHIC@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 month ago

The dems need to stick to their guns on this.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago

Keep at it, don't barge. This is the biggest move they've done in this term, and I want them to stay strong.

I want them to win.

[-] manxu@piefed.social 10 points 1 month ago

I think the Democratic leadership learned from the last debt ceiling debacle, where they did whatever the GOP and Trump wanted and got pelted with figurative rotten eggs by everyone who was paying attention.

The Obamacare subsidies are an easy hill to die on. They are available to anyone who makes less than a high middle class income, and for a great many Americans, they are the absolutely only way they can afford health insurance.

A self-declaredly populist movement like MAGA should know better than making health care unaffordable to millions to pay for billionaire tax cuts and corruption.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I think the Democratic leadership learned from the last debt ceiling debacle

No, they dont have the backing of a biased DNC anymore. So they're trying to paint themselves as progressive warriors.

Newsom was the most noticable, but Schumer and Jeffries are doing the same thing. They realized they're actually going to have competitive primaries, and that negotiating with trump virtually guarantees they lose their next primary.

It's pure self preservation, they still need replaced. And we absolutely can not afford to keep them in office, let alone leadership positions.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I'm not nearly that cynical about literally everything the Dems do, but I'm absolutely cool with replacing the 70 year olds. (Schumer is 74.)

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Outside of Bernie, they relied on the DNC squashing primary challengers, then being the only option in the general.

That's why all the big neoliberals are putting on these acts, they're more scared of midterms than Republicans are. They need to suck up all the oxygen so real progressives don't heard, and billionaire owned.media is happy to help.

Quick edit:

And for the record, Bernie needs primaried too, everyone does. Healthy primaries is how we make sure we win generals.

[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Healthy primaries is how we make sure we win generals.

If we can learn just this one lesson from the last presidential, we will be in so much better shape.

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

I'd rather have them engaged in a futile struggle to save their useless asses than flat-out capitulating at the first hurdle as they usually do.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I love how often commenters try to pass off wild speculation with zero evidence as though it were empirically proven scientific fact

[-] troy_frizzell@mstdn.social 2 points 1 month ago

@manxu @MicroWave

The thing about this "populist" movement is, they are liars.

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[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 9 points 1 month ago

Back in the Spring, we were all pissed off at Schmuck Schumer after he bent over and helped the MAGA Nazis keep the government open, because they said they'd negotiate on whatever the Dems wanted.

Six months later, and they haven't negotiated anything, and now they want to end healthcare. They give Sociopathic Oligarchs any tax break they demand, but they can't give one to the American people for their fucking HEALTH CARE? These people are psychopaths!

Now they are demanding that Dems end the strike, and THEN they'll negotiate? That's what they said last time, and now they're taking our health care away. If we give them our health care so they can open up the government and continue to abuse us, what will they take away in 6 months? Our freedom of speech? Our courts? Our ELECTIONS? OUR FREEDOM?

Nope, keep it closed down until they give us what we demand. The country they want to open isn't the country we want to open anyway. We're better off leaving it shut down, they'll do less damage.

[-] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

GOP cut billionaire tax and now say they can't afford healthcare and shut government over it. Dems just watching and owe nothing.

[-] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

By Grabthar's hammer, never give up! Never surrender!

[-] WraithGear@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago
[-] trslim@pawb.social 1 points 1 month ago

"You mean... We dont have to do anything, and people are supportive about it? Wow!" -Democrats, probably.

Don't get me wrong, I want them to keep holding fast, but I just think its funny.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Just for clarity, if every single R votes yes and every D voted no, would the budget pass? Of does it require a larger majority that the GOP doesn't have?

[-] homura1650@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

The GOP has 53 senators. Under current Senate procedural rules, they need 60 votes to pass a budget.

Having said that, they only need 50 votes to change Senate procedural rules. However, for reasons I do not comprehend, Senators from both bodies have been surprisingly resistant to the idea of removing or adding exemptions to the 60 vote requirement.

[-] Wiz@midwest.social 4 points 1 month ago

They could also use Reconciliation, I think. That would just require 50.

[-] ExtraPartsLeft@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

They can can only do that once per type of budget bill, per year. And since they can't stand not getting what they want, they obviously had to use it the first chance they got.

[-] TheMinister@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Because simple majority would swing back the other way in no time and there would be little the current majority party could do. Every two years it’s likely to change these days

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

Because the requirement for a supermajority means nothing gets done. The Senate is there to ensure that intertia rules.

[-] JamBandFan1996@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Obviously it requires a larger majority, otherwise they wouldn't be in this situation. I think it requires 60%

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