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[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Rant incoming. I'm trying to rent a apartment that is less than 1/4th of my salary but I might not get it because the landlord is too stupid to understand 80% of my salary is stocks so they won't show up on a paystub. This is the people that love to label themselves as savvy investors. God damn it. Rant over.

why don't you just buy a house?

My president just consolidated the three branches into one so I'm holding up in case I have to flee.

[-] huquad@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

I've seen a recent finance bro fad saying renting and investing is better than owning. My brother in Christ my rent was much higher than my mortgage for a shittier spot and I didn't get equity.

[-] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

It depends, it can definitely be more worthwhile to rent.

[-] The_v@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

During the last housing bubble, you could rent the same place for less than 1/2 the cost of buying it. Renting and investing made more sense then.

Currently buying a house is overpriced but rent is even more so.

The best financial decision right now is to live with your parents your entire life. If you don't have a parent you can stay with, then a tent and cardboard boxes in the park it is.

[-] huquad@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

I just did the math for renting/investing vs buying, including rent/house value yearly increase, income taxes on capital gains, mortgage rate, down payment amount, and initial house price. The results indicate a strong dependence on rent price and taxes/insurance for buying. I found that renting/investing can be a better financial option depending on the inputs. As another commenter pointed out, the main reasons are taxes/insurance and the greater time return rate for market vs home value. This was surprising to me, so I'm glad I ran the numbers. That tells me the real difference is your life choice of wanting a place of your own vs renting and moving around.

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[-] Rachelhazideas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Pretending that small landlords and corporate landlords are the same is like saying your local grocer is as bad as Walmart.

Renting is an essential part of the housing market. Not everyone wants or can commit to home ownership and all it's unpredictable maintenance costs. A plumbing failure can be as cheap as $200 to fix or cost you $10,000+ for a full replacement and restoration from the biohazards of black water damage.

The reason why the housing market is fucked is because poor regulation allows corporate landlords to buy up tons of investment properties and control the housing costs and supply.

[-] ranzispa@mander.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

Rented a flat from a family for 3 years. The flat had not been renewed in over 60 years, but I was alright with that. The flat had several problems, they never wanted to fix.

One day the electrical system starts going out over and over again, fuses would burn every few days. I had to tell them that in case of fire they'd be responsible for everything I had in the house before they agreed they should fix the electric system.

Since they were going to fix the electric system, they decided to do a bit more work and change the floor and a few things more. They wanted to increase the rent 50% to account for these improvements; even though that is illegal I accepted, since they were in fact improving the flat.

I had to move out for two months while the works were going on. One week before the end of the works, the flat was really not done yet. I asked several times whether it would be ready, because I'd need to find and accomodation in the meanwhile. I asked for a discount of half a month so that I could cover expenses and because nobody knew when they would actually complete the works.

The day before I was supposed to get back into the flat, they decided that I was posing way too many conditions and kicked me out. They decided to keep the safety deposit because a plastic floor old over 60 years had started cracking. 8 months later, they still have some boxes of stuff which is mine but never have time to meet me to give it back to me.

Time has passed and I still have to go to a lawyer, because I the meanwhile I had a bunch of trouble to solve. I'm sure I can win a trial against them, but even if I do win the trial I'll have gone through a bunch of trouble just to get my safety deposit back. I'll be doing it just because they need to fuck off, but still...

Now, most people renting places were I live are exactly like this. It is not big corporations, it people who got one or maybe a few flats on rent.

[-] Soup@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Renting is important to have available but it absolutely does not need to be at the level its at. The amount of people paying for someone else’s investment while wishing they could own something of their own is crazy and it’s insane that we’ve normalized that. And all the while they’re just hoping nothing goes wrong because it seems like even the “good” landlords are hit-or-miss when it comes to getting them to do literally anything. Mine’s usually pretty good but right now there’s a fucking hole in the foundation and getting them to properly address it is a hurdle I shouldn’t have to go through. In order for these buildings to be profitable the tenants need to not only pay for those issues you mentioned but now they’re also paying for someone else’s salary AND in the end that person gets to sell the building and keep all that money, too.

The reason the housing market is fucked in the US and Canada is becauss there are very few rent controls and a lot of the power sides with the landlords. In Montréal you have to be worried about going taking them to court because future landlords can just look up if you’ve ever done anything and deny you a place to live even if the problem was your current landlord is dogshit. Oh, and there’s a new law that’s around landlords being able to use necessary renovations as excuses to raise your rent! They have all the power and it doesn’t matter if they’re big or small, it’s a “business” that attracts the kind of people who don’t mind making easy money off of making you pay for their stuff.

Your landlord(probably) isn’t going to let you hit it because you’re glazing them on Lemmy. Stand up for yourself and others, even if you got lucky with a landlord who is considered good because they don’t throw a hissy fit when you ask them to do their fucking job.

[-] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Pretending that small landlords and corporate landlords are the same is like saying your local grocer is as bad as Walmart

Your comparison is valid, but it works against your interests. Your local grocer, as a business owner, is every bit against rising minimum wage as Walmart is: both of them see reduced profits when minimum wages are increased, so the class relations between them and their workers make them support anti-worker-rights policy.

In the same manner, your local landlord has every reason to be as opposed to measures such as rent caps or rent freezes as BlackRock.

Yes, rent should exist as an alternative to home ownership, but the housing for rent should be publicly owned and rented at maintenance-cost prices as has been done successfully in many socialist countries before which managed to abolish homelessness. As an example, by the 1970s rent in the Soviet Union costed about 3% of the monthly average income. Can't we do better than that 55 years of technological progress later?

[-] papertowels@mander.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

both of them see reduced profits when minimum wages are increased

But one doesn't have to act in the shareholders best interest.

My friends are renting in an apt from a mom and pop landlord who hasn't raised the price in years - they roughly play half of what market price is at this point.

So sure, the direction of Mom and pop landlords interests may be the same as a corporate landlords, but that are under much less pressure to leverage that.

[-] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 week ago

Whether or not a small business owner is for or against raising wages depends entirely on their own ethical compass, and whether that compass is strong enough to turn away from the temptation of extra profit. It's rare that individuals are so altruistic to be able to fully turn off the impulse for profit incentive and personal enrichment.

In contrast, a worker owned coop would not have that issue, as all workers would have equal incentive to raise wages as much as is reasonable while still maintaining the ability for the coop to thrive. Their individual ethics or moral compass wouldn't factor in nearly as much.

[-] papertowels@mander.xyz 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Worker owned coops equivalent for housing is a housing coop complex, which I believe is the most sustainable model of housing.

However, I'm not sure how that would apply to single detached houses.

EDIT: I didn't really address the original point.

The comparison was between Black Rock and Mom and pop landlords. You can bet your ass that black rock is trying to squeeze out profit. That statement does not hold as true for Mom and pops, because there are other reasons why they may be renting out.

[-] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 week ago

In a theoretical socialist society, people would not be allowed to own multiple single family homes, only the one they're currently using, since renting an essential need creates a power imbalance.

As a stop-gap, all currently rented single family homes (as in renting the entire house, not just a room in a house), could be converted to rent-to-own contracts, so that at some point that power imbalance ends and the renter is no longer being exploited.

[-] papertowels@mander.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

That's all well and good, but how likely is that to actually happen?

The original commenters point was that corporate landlords are driven only by profit as they buy up rental property everywhere. Even preventing that is highly unlikely, if we're being honest, but it is far more likely to happen than all rented houses being forcibly turned to rent to own contracts.

We all want the same thing, but there's a tradeoff between grandiose ideals and feasibility. It does not seem wrong to support pushes for less radical but more realistic methods of improving housing if your goal is to improve housing.

[-] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

None of what I suggested is feasible to achieve within a political framework that is ultimately captured by capital. A handful of small particularly ethical landlords may support reform, but most will not, and the bigger corporate landlords will actively fight it with millions of dollars in lobbying, which the politicians have proven time and time again they are only too willing to accept.

Edit: It will take renters standing up, creating tenant unions, and engaging in direct action to cause real change.

[-] papertowels@mander.xyz 2 points 1 week ago

Agree. We have a few housing coops in town and I recommend them to everyone I know.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Who maintains the homes that no one is living in?

[-] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 week ago

Could you elaborate what you mean?

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[-] Zink@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago

From the perspective of the MBAs and economists, small landlords being nice like that is just an inefficiency that the invisible hand of the market will eventually sweep away in favor of cold efficient corporate management.

It seems to be that a local landlord is basically just a mom and pop shop that hasn't closed down yet because it only needs to find one customer to buy its one service.

All landlords are parasites. Paying a landlord is not the same as having home insurance...

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[-] kingofthezyx@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

I think it would work better if the weapons were firing at the sleeping kid directly from the soldier

[-] melonhusk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

yeah, 'protecting' us from the very financial strain they create. truly the unsung heroes of our generation. what noble sacrifice.

[-] lemonwood@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Smith goes into great detail in "The wealth of Nations" about how landlords are parasites. He explains why theoretically and empirically and gives specific examples. He lacked an understanding of historical materialism, so he wrongly thought capitalism would naturally get rid of them.

[-] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago

I once rented a house from friends that were out of the country. We paid exactly their mortgage payment (plus utils and I did and paid for handyman level stuff, they covered big stuff), which was $600 a month less than the market rate for places a step down in quality.

Once we left I told them to increase the rent by $200 for higher insurance and a real handyman and whatever else and it's still a huge favor to anyone they get by word of mouth only. The next couple thought they had won the lottery scoring a place for almost $5000 a year less than the rest of the area.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

That picture is incorrect.

The landlord isn't pictured inside a Porsche SUV.

That the landlord is well out of the way of harm is the most accurate part of this meme 😂

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