Israel's spin about hospital massacre quickly comes apart : worldnews

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 62 points 1 year ago

I'm not reading a blog from "electronic intifada", just like I'm not reading the rants section of "holy land settlers .net".

The IDF is wrong. Hamas is wrong. They are both wrong. This is not a contradiction.

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

The best way I've seen it put was that "Israel's response goes beyond the scope of defense"

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

“Israel’s response goes beyond the scope of defense”

Yeah... since 1949.

[-] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Here's an incident Israeli feds almost certainly faked. And you're like. Both sides bad.

[+] queermunist@lemmy.ml -6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Good for you, condemning all sides from your ivory tower so you can maintain moral purity.

So! What do you think Hamas should have done? Vote? Start a petition? Post about it on X?

[-] therealrjp@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Are you trying to suggest that Hamas were some how justified in intentionally killing innocent civilians?

Not having an answer doesn’t mean you can’t condemn both sides in this.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Are you trying to suggest that Hamas were some how justified

I can't speak for the person you were responding to... but yes - Hamas (and every other organisation Palestinians choose to support) has every goddamn right to fight Israel in whatever way that works. And no... I am in no way suggesting that - I'm stating it outright.

[-] null@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 year ago

Advocating for the slaughtering of innocent civilians is disgusting.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Israel has been doing tons of that since 1949 - where were you and the rest of the pearl-clutchers all this time?

[-] therealrjp@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I don’t see here where anyone is trying to justify Israel. They’re wrong. So are Hamas. It’s that simple.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

I don’t see here where anyone is trying to justify Israel

Here... you dropped some of your pro-Israel "both-side-ism" tropes - let me point it out for you.

Advocating for the slaughtering of innocent civilians is disgusting.

[-] null@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

Not advocating for the slaughtering of innocent civilians, because I'm not a monster.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

And offering nothing but slap-on-the-wrist apologetics for Israel's decades-old genocide while demonising Palestinians when they fight back makes you (somehow) less of a monster?

[-] null@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago

When did I do that?

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

This you?

Not advocating for the slaughtering of innocent civilians

[-] null@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sure is, good job!

What about it?

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

So you admit to glossing over Israel's decades-long genocide?

That's remarkably honest for a liberal.

[-] null@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

So you admit to glossing over Israel's decades-long genocide?

Nope, I admit to saying that advocating for the slaughtering of innocent civilians is disgusting.

If you think those 2 things are the same, then you might have brain damage.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you think those 2 things are the same, then you might have brain damage.

Riiiight... those of us who know better calling attention to the fact that you libs only began worrying about the "slaughtering of innocent civilians" as soon as Israel was handed a miniscule taste of it's own medicine are doing so because... "brain damage".

Riiiight.

Here. This wasn't written for you - it was written to satirize you.

[-] null@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago

It's funny, because you have to invent those things about me, while I can link to where you actively advocated for the slaughtering of innocent civilians.

I guess that's the best someone with your level of brain damage can do, though. So sad.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

It’s funny,

No, there's nothing funny about people minimising Israel's 80-year genocide because "Hamas bad".

And you can't even claim "brain damage" as an excuse.

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

I don't support Israel though?

[-] null@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago

Did you reply to the wrong person?

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago

When you are trying to accuse someone of supporting the slaughtering civilians, and they aren't supporting Israel in this particular conflict, then by definition they aren't supporting the slaughtering of innocent civilians.

On the other hand, if you are criticizing Hamas for attacking valid Israeli targets in their fight for freedom, you are implicitly supporting the slaughter of civilians. i.e. you support the fact that Israel regularly bombs hospitals and evacuation routes.

[-] therealrjp@lemm.ee -3 points 1 year ago

You’re entitled to your opinion. I do wonder if it would change if it was your mum or brother or some other loved one that gets killed while minding their own business but whatever. In your mind, Hamas would be justified for it.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

I do wonder if it would change if it was your mum or brother or some other loved one that gets killed while minding their own business

I am perfectly capable of understanding the point of view of a person who has had their entire family and/or community murdered, imprisoned or forced to flee - but having that happen to one over and over again for almost 80 years while privileged scum runs interference for the perpetrators because it's simply more convenient to swallow the well-funded propaganda... that stretches the limits of even my imagination.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not having an answer doesn’t mean you can’t condemn both sides in this.

It actually does, because it means you're just playing pretend instead of grappling with the world as it actually exists.

So shut up 😘

[-] sneaky_b45tard@feddit.de -3 points 1 year ago

I dunno they could like try to negotiate and settle on something else then the complete extermination of all Israelis and Jews, just an idea

[-] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Firstly, Palestinian representatives including Hamas have tried to come to the negotiating table, ever since the beginning. The response from Israel is bombing runs, artillery fire, and bad faith claims that Hamas will not negotiate.

Secondly, Palestinians do not want to exterminate anyone, they simply want to be free. The extermination/genocide thing is common myth presented by settlers who can't imagine anything but genocide, as it's how their own society has been built, and they project this on to all other societies.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Riiight... let's justify an actual and ongoing genocide by hiding behind an alleged one that doesn't exist.

Why does this sound so familiar? Oh, right... it's the exact same "reverse genocide" trope the Apartheid-regime hid behind so long.

[-] sneaky_b45tard@feddit.de -2 points 1 year ago

Alleged genocide? Hamas isnt even hiding that their biggest goal is to eradicate Israel and all Jews living there. They openly say it since they came into existence. Their goal in the war they started now was to kill as many people (doesnt matter if they were civilians or even foreigners) as possible. What is alleged here? Its all official.

On the other hand, Israel's goal is to kill Hamas, not civilians (even if edgelords on the internet wont see it that way and will scream apartheid and genocide without even know what that means), but that's pretty hard to do when they're cowardly hiding behind children.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Alleged genocide?

Yes, Clyde... an alleged genocide - you know, the one that only exists in your white supremacism-addled mind? You know... unlike the very real genocide Israel has been perpetrating since 1949? Complete with applause from fascist garbage-peddlers like you?

Israel’s goal is to kill Hamas, not civilians

Riiiiight... and I suppose next you'll be telling me the Nazis were only targeting "Jewish-Bolshevism" and not all Jewish people, eh fascist?

[-] sneaky_b45tard@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

WTF im a nazi because unlike you i dont support a terror organization? TF is wrong with you people.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And how do they force Israel to negotiate?

Israel won't negotiate with peaceful protestors and won't negotiate with hostage takers and won't negotiate with passive captives. Just an idea, but maybe Israel is the one at fault for there being no negotiations.

[-] halfempty@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago

After hearing earlier in the week that Israel was demanding the evacuation of all hospitals in Northern Gaza, it was clear that this hospital was bombed as promised. Claims that Hamas did it are clearly diversionary propaganda.

[-] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

The electronic intifada, yeah that's not going to be biased propaganda at all /s

[-] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This source might not be the best but I'm following these details and I think a more reputable source will cast doubt on the legitimacy of the situation Israel and this hospital has painted. There seems, to me, a good chance this hospital bombing was faked / or the details were heavily skewed as a propaganda piece.

Reuters: What we Know about this Hospital Strike

Reuters said IDF fired a strike at a Palestinian hospital causing 500 deaths.
Comms come out where a "Hamas agent" spills the beans about details saying Hamas did it, and other Hamas agents are confused.
Israel has posted and asserted misinformation about this situation. They may just be lying reflexively.
Videos of this hospital parking lot seem to show a lot less damage than the reported ammunition (JDAM) And the size of the explosion. We see a few cars worth of damage. Some cars seem fine. There was fire in the hospital though too?
Nonetheless this bomb went off in Northern Gaza, where Palestinians have been ordered to evacuate. Which is logistically impossible and there's nowhere for them to go.

[+] Billy_Gnosis@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago

This is a pro Palestinian site. What do you expect they would say?

[-] Ooops@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago

Don't know... maybe the same kind of propaganda bullshit we always hear in such conflicts.
Oh, wait. No. Because they don't need to when Israel is indeed contradicting itself constantly and links to sources and screenshots of quickly deleted official social media post are entirely sufficient without needing to spin the story...

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