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[-] Cimbazarov@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

This is a legit demographic, where they dont really care about identifying as right or left (in burgerlander terms), but just want to see someone talk to their material conditions. Liberals will however get into tangle of overthinking how to appeal to the working class, and come up with the "left" needing to be more racist amd transphobic to appeal to the masses. Its the material conditions stupid

[-] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's not so much that they overlook it.. It's just incompatible with their own material interests (continue to receive large donations).

[-] nfreak@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Pretty much. It's why so many people who don't seem like racist fuckwads voted for trump anyway - they heard what they wanted to hear about how his "policies" would directly improve their own lives. Excusing the nazi agenda because of hypothetical selfish gains is insane but that's a whole other mess to untangle.

There's a huge voting demographic who literally only cares about their own self-interest, and if a candidate speaks to that in words they understand, no matter what letter's next to their name, they'll go for it.

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

While at the same time castigating progressives for appealing to chuds, such as when Bernie went on Joe Rogan

[-] marx_ex_machina@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

Stuff like this is why all the move-toward-the-center tripe that the DC donor class likes to peddle is just bullshit. It's never as simple as projecting the political spectrum to a 1D axis and assuming you need to take the "average" or "median" voter's positions to achieve maximum popularity. Your "average" person is incoherent, and you need to have a backbone of values that can energize a base of support. Class analysis will always lead you to identify the widest potential base, but they'll never do that!

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

Whenever I am forced to talk politics with people and they bring up 'oh I'm in the middle', I just ask them 'in the middle of what' and force them to try to explain either the political compass or line graph they are visualizing and picking apart the metaphor through Socratic dialogue. It irritates the absolute shit out of people but it usually gets them to either stop talking to me about it, or stop thinking about politics in those terms because it is easily demonstrated to be nonsense.

[-] spudnik@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

The other fun one is agree that you're also a centrist/moderate but then only espouse left wing views without using any of the scary words they're programmed to ignore

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

I'm a centrist, I think we should execute only half of billionaires.

[-] ghost_of_faso3@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 months ago

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

The average US voter has oppositional defiant disorder as a political ideology.

[-] 420lenin69@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That would be cool if it were true. Or maybe it is true but nonetheless they lick the boot.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

It's becoming more true, I think we'll see power traded back and forth for the foreseeable future as voters just vote for The Other Guy every election.

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The rare rational republican who sees his personal problems in one hand, sees Zohran's solutions in the other, and realizes they fit together like jigsaw pieces

[-] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

The average American voter is the just that guy from TikTok putting everything in the square hole, so I'm just impressed someone can actually solve the puzzle.

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

And the average leftist getting increasingly distressed

[-] sleeplessone@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

Mamdonny

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

This legit looks like an MGS character

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 4 points 2 months ago

Gaseous Snake

[-] Vingst@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago

Punished Raymond.

[-] jackmaoist@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

You know what I'll give him a chance. I was a borderline Hindu fascist once before I re-educated myself because socialist policies sounded good.

[-] Euergetes@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

Chuck Shumer would climb a mountain to deny this

[-] miz@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

Schumer, every cycle for decades: "we have to appeal to Republicans!"

[sees this]

Schumer: "no, not like that!"

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That's just the working class working across the aisle to get things done

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

Ideology when faced with improvements to material conditions be like:

[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

^this tbh. a politics that actually improves peoples circumstances can fully short circuit the libidinal gratification of bigotry that idealists would rather attribute to inherent evil.