The church crowd collectively shitting themselves over what to leave for a tip at brunch
Oh please, they've been using those fake dollar, judgemental prayer notes for years
I'm not familiar. What is that?
They're slips of paper designed to be folder that look like a folded 5, 10, 20 dollar notes but when you open them its just a prayer or a note about how you're going to hell for greed because you expected money. Some people leave them as tips for some reason
They should throw them in the collection plate when that is passed around.
The reason is that they're assholes.
They've been planning for this. Church ads with faux dollars printed on the front cost less than a penny to print.
Is this a thing for church people.. Are they notorious bad tippers?
Yes. The sunday "after church" brunch is considered the worst possible shift in any resturant open for it.
Tends towards self righteous and demanding people who enjoy flaunting status and casting judgement. It also runs older, and older people tend to tip what they tipped in the past, and not keep up with inflation.
$2 might have been nice in 1988, but it isnt going far in 2025.
Also the worst retail customers when they are either finished with lunch or waiting to be paged for their table
church people are notoriously bad everything
it's why they have to go to church. because they can't just be good people.
A sensible decision, and one other countries have made before. If anything, this would probably have happened sooner, if US coins didn’t have affectionate nicknames that tended to accumulate sentimental associations. (There are a lot of sayings mentioning pennies, which will now lapse into the realm of archaism, alongside nursery rhymes mentioning pre-decimal British currency. There will also be dudes keen to explain that, actually, a penny was a 1c coin, and some of them will get the details confidently wrong.)
Welp, so much for adding to my pressed-penny collection
You can still add to it up until every penny currently in the wild has been pressed or destroyed. 🤷♂️
The dime is currently worth less than the halfpenny was when it stopped being minted because it wasn't useful to do so anymore.
This is wildly overdue, and honestly, probably not far enough.
Thanks CGP Grey. You keep moving them goalposts.
Just like how the federal minimum wage needs to be over 22 dollars, not just Fif-Teen bucks an hour
...what?
Isn't a halfpenny worth half a penny so a dime is worth twenty times more?
One dollar in 1950 had far more buying power than one dollar does now. Something that cost a dollar in 1950 would cost nearly $14 in 2026.
The halfpenny, when discontinued, could purchase roughly as much as 12¢ could today.
At that time, it was decided that a halfpenny wasn't necessary, as transactions were of a high enough value that made tracking the numbers to the half-penny needless, and that you could just round to the nearest penny.
The equivalent today would be rounding to either the nearest dime or quarter, eliminating the need for smaller denomination coins.
Please, this is MAGA America, of course it's a scam. Your post is exactly why we should keep the penny.
There are many, many very wealthy people and corporations out there, and they keep track of every single fucking penny they touch, and they go to War if a single penny is missing. As an example, here you are figuring out the purchasing power of some anachronistic currency that hasn't been used in 200 years to justify it.
Those same people are now telling us that we, the working people, don't need to keep track of every one of OUR pennies, because we don't have enough of them to worry about. Don't worry, all their cash registers will do the calculations for you, and it will always be fair. We'll never round UP the numbers so you always end up paying a few cents more for EVERYTHING. It won't make a difference to you and your few pennies, but they will add up, and make the rich even richer by taking your pennies directly out of your pocket, a penny at a time. What are you complaining about? It's just a penny.
But it's my penny, and I want it, and before you call me a cheapskate, I'll remind the world that those calling me a cheapskate are the ones trying to take MY penny away. If it's important enough for them to take it from me, then it's important enough to defend it from them. I'm not giving these Jackals one inch.
Of course, the way around it is to use your debit card for everything, and your purchases will be calculated to the penny. And they will also be able to track every item you purchase, and where you are at any given moment, and every place you've been.
So should we bring back the halfpenny? Cause right now they're scamming you out of all those fractional pennies you could be saving, and that really adds up. They're up charging you 0.5¢ all the time, and robbing those halfpennies right out of your pocket!!!
But if you're not for bringing back tracking transactions down to the fractional cent, what makes it different to your mind? Why is that ridiculous, but rounding to the nearest 5¢ is way out of bounds?
Typical bonehead take.
Yeah, that's what I was getting at - we should bring back the Halfpenney. Good job getting the point, Brainiac.
I wasn't saying I thought that was your actual position. I was saying that your actual position made as much sense as that.
There's no difference in kind between rounding to the nearest penny or rounding to the nearest nickel. It's the exact same thing, and the question is just "where do you draw the line"?
So should the line never change no matter what? Regardless of any real life implications the line is drawn exactly where it was meant to be by God at the beginning of time and it is devoid of context or reason?
If we had massive deflation to the point where tracking to the fractional cent made sense, I would argue that it might be worth printing halfpennies again. But we don't. And the idea that companies are going to be robbing you of pennies is no more or less reasonable than the idea that they are robbing you of fractional pennies.
Hell, there's a real chance it'll go the other way in a lot of cases, as stores will start marking things as $X.95 instead of $X.99. Someone else did the math based on what economists projected the cost to consumers would be, and it came out to 2¢ per person per year. Not exactly a staggering number.
The fact of the matter is that we have to occasionally re-figure at what granularity it's worth tracking our fractions of a dollar to. Inflation will always be inflating, and in a few hundred years when a loaf of bread is $250 the idea that we would track fractional dollars will seem as antiquated as the halfpenny does now.
A lot of words for a simple concept:
We need pennies because we figure everything to the penny. We don't need half pennies because nobody figures anything to the half cent.
The wealthy want their pennies, and I want mine, too. Any other concept is just those with the money trying to steal from the citizens, AGAIN.
But we used to figure everything to the half cent. That's my point. We stopped figuring it to the half cent when we got rid of the half cent coin.
In the same way, we would stop figuring things to the whole cent if we got rid of the penny.
As an example, let's say I wanted to buy an item that was $1.75, but it was 50% off. How much does that cost? In reality, it should be $0.875, but we don't track to the half penny, so we just call it 88¢.
Or, if you buy something for $1.50, but there's a sales tax of 3%, that item will be $1.545 after sales tax, but they just round it to $1.55.
They're already rounding your numbers up. That's already happening. The only reason it feels different is because we "don't track fractional pennies," which is only true because we got rid of the coins that allowed us to track fractional pennies.
If we got rid of the coins that let us track individual pennies, we would also stop tracking all exchanges to the individual penny, and simply round to the nearest 5¢.
Which, in many cases, could actually work in your favor, I might add. If you bought something and the total was 1.52, they would simply round it down to $1.50. Sales tax law varies state to state, but that it's how the vast majority of states handle fractional pennies already, so precident indicates it would be that way for rounding to the nearest 5¢. E.g. if sales tax is 2%, and you bought something for $1.19, that comes out to $1.2138, but most states round that to $1.21, saving you 0.38¢ (38 one hundredths of a cent).
I understand all of that, but for most of our nation's existence, we figured everything to the penny, and created the economic engine that pretty much rules the world, based on that penny. To suddenly change that, would be like saying we're going to get rid of the millimeter, and round up all measurements to the nearest centumeter, because it will be easier.
And like I keep saying, while we are dealing in nickels, the wealthy will still be dealing in pennies, and stealing all our rounded up pennies that we decided were too expensive, because they convinced ignorant dipshits like out president think it costs us 2.3 cents every time we use a penny.
I think it was Andrew Carnegie who said that rather than making a lot of money on a few big deals, it's better to make a small sliver off of something everybody uses. This is a perfect example. We see it as only a penny, but the Sociopathic Oligarchs know that a few rounded up pennies a day from every citizen, will add up to a massive fortune very quickly, and then it will just become normal revenue forever.
There's a reason this is happening during a Trump administration. We're being robbed, and we're just standing here while they stick their hands directly in our pockets.
The problem with your meter analogy is that the length that a meter is measuring isn't slowly shrinking. If, in 50 years, instead of my room being 5 meters across it was instead 50,000 meters across, then yeah, I'd probably recommend we start measuring rooms in kilometers. And whereas I would care if you told me my 5mx5m room was actually 4.5mx4.5m, I probably don't care that my 49999.5mx49999.5m room is missing that exact same half meter.
And think of it this way. If Walmart (or any other store) were to, instead of "stealing your extra pennies by rounding up to the nearest 5¢," simply raise the price of all your groceries by 2ish¢, would that change your buying habits? Would you suddenly refuse to buy your groceries or go drive to another store because they raised the cost by 2¢? Probably not. So, if that extra 2¢ was super meaningful to the bottom line, they could already steal it from you. They don't need the pretense of rounding.
This has been proposed for a long time, and it's been luck of the draw which administration chose to do it. You're letting your hatred of Trump make you jump through irrational hoops to try and justify why this has to be a bad thing, because they idea that it could possibly be good, even by purest luck, is a threat to your identity as a person.
Or maybe not. Maybe I'm just armchair phycologist-ing. But your stance isn't a reasonable one. If in the future an apple costs $5000 and we're still printing the penny, there's no logical framework for keeping the penny. It would take 500,000 pennies to buy an apple. You'd have to bring in a pallet of pennies to buy it. If you think we should keep printing the penny at that point, then I don't think we'll ever see eye to eye.
But if you do agree that once apples are $5000 a piece we can stop printing the penny because it has no use, then we're just arguing about where/when the line is to get rid of the penny, not that the line exists at all. And if that line exists, I think it's fairly obvious on its face that we're overdue.
When apples cost $5000, we'll talk.
The examples your are using are all distant future hypotheticals, and don't address the real issue, which is that while there has been talk about retiring the penny for many years, the ONLY reason that it is happening NOW, is because the MAGAs have figured out how to game this situation for their own advantage, almost certainly at our expense. It's the ONLY reason they do ANYTHING.
And I'm not saying that because I hate Trump and any other MAGA PedoCons, I'm saying it because it's true, and we ALL know it.
Brother, apples already cost over 60x what they did when the halfpenny was done away with. I think we're at the point where the discussion is warranted.
But really, there's a bigger problem here, and it's that you've let your hatred of the current administration blind you. You sound like the person who's saying that the only reason that the Democrats would do something good is because they're secretly using it as a front to harvest adrenochrome.
As hard as this may be for you to hear, there are still in fact bipartisan issues in this country that everyone, regardless of party, agrees with. Fewer every year for sure, in this increasingly tribalistic landscape, but they do in fact still exist, and this is one of them.
There's a list of things that we've had bipartisan support for under the Trump administration. Legislation to fight phone scammers. Legislation to lower drug prices. The First Step Act, that helped a lot of non-violent federal prisoners get released from prison and reintegrated into their communities. His work to push against TikTok and other Chinese state controlled information networks in the US.
These are all things that Democrats also support and are pushing for. These are all things that have been good that this administration has done.
Now, all that is wildly, and don't mis-hear this, WILDLY, overshadowed by the blatant evil, hate, cruelty, and corruption of this administration.
But if you're so caught up in the "everything the person on the other team does automatically has to be bad because they're wearing a red shirt instead of a blue shirt," mindset, you stop being a voice to consider seriously. You will throw all logic and reason to the wind because it's an attack against your identity to acknowledge that the other side can sometimes agree with you. It makes it where you have to imagine some sort of outlandish, deep state conspiracy to explain why the opposition is on your side about something, because you refuse to accept the obvious. Sometimes there are just issues that aren't terribly political and almost all semi-reasonable people just kind of agree on it.
You said that you're not against it because you hate MAGA. And maybe you're right. Maybe I've misread you. But it's clearly not true that we "all know it," as most people in this thread seem to disagree with you. And if you aren't automatically against everything from this administration just because of who they are, then you should be able to produce an example of something they've done that you support? I've given a list above, so feel free to pick from there. But are you willing to agree that the broken clock can indeed be right twice a day, or is the idea of saying that this administration did a single good thing too much of a threat to your identity?
It is a perfectly normal moral response to despise an administration whose core values are treason, greed, corruption, pedophilia, rape, misogyny, racism, xenophobia, bigotry, incompetence, and ignorance. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging those FACTS, and making the decision to disbelieve that ANYTHING that comes out of this administration, and assume that ANYTHING they do is motivated almost primarily by either greed or cruelty.
Your list of positives is lame Drug prices lowered - on a handful of drugs. And we're supposed to thank them for giving us the bare minimum, their table scraps. They could lower the prices of all drugs, they could give Americans health care, etc., but let's give them credit for doing the bare minimum, as they take our health care away. The rest is more of the same. Trump Administration bipartisanship consists of MAGA threatening Schmuckie Schumer, and him folding. "See, the Democrats agree with us!"
MAGA is evil, and that evil corrupts everything it touches. I do not acknowledge that anything they've done is valid. I will not apologize for standing by that. Anyone who give any defense or support of MAGA is painted with the same brush.
And I think we've reached the impasse.
I agree with you that this administration is evil. We have the same opinion of them. We're on the same side in that regard. And I'm not even saying you're wrong to despise them. I agree that's normal and even right.
But when you decide to begin rejecting reality. When you start calling bad things good and good things bad. When you start ignoring the evidence of your own eyes and justifying conspiracy theories because your hatred is more important than the truth. That's when you lose me. And based on this thread, it seems like that's where you're losing most people. And hurting your own cause.
All I'm saying is that this administration is so beyond evil and normal, that I immediately reject EVERYTHING that they say or do, and I do it unapologetically. They will NEVER get the benefit of the doubt from me.
"Oh, I voted for Mr. Hitler because he'd be good for the economy. You can't blame all that Jew killing stuff on me." - German citizen, 1946
As far as I'm concerned, IF we ever take our country back, one of the first orders of business should to reverse literally EVERY piece of MAGA legislation or EOs. Then pass the right legislation to fix whatever they "fixed," because it's guaranteed that the only solution that was ever considered was the one that makes them all money.
Since you brought Hitler into this... Clearly it's never okay with Hitler. Terribly evil person. If you agree with Hitler on literally anything, you are complicit in the Holocaust.
Hitler loved dogs. Huge fan of them. He had three (well, one and Eva Braun had two). He let his dog sleep in the bed with him. Took it with him everywhere. He was a huge dog lover. Big fan.
Am I required to hate dogs because, by saying dogs are good, I'm agreeing with Hitler? It's clearly a terribly evil thing to agree with Hitler, right? So I think the only possible moral stance is to hate dogs with every fiber of your being? Isn't that right?
That's what your position feels like.
But something worth a dollar in 1950 is worth the same as something that's worth a dollar now in 2025.
Okay, let's try to break it down for you.
Let's say that, in 1950, you could buy 10 apples for a dollar. Would you agree that, in 1950, 10 apples were "worth" $1? One dollar's "worth" of apples was 10 apples?
Now, let's say today I can buy one apple for one dollar. Would you agree that 1 apple was "worth" one dollar? That one dollar's "worth" of apples was 1 apple?
Now, if we assume that the "buying power" of a dollar is measured in "how many apples a dollar can buy," that my current dollar is "worth less" than a 1950 dollar, because it purchases me fewer apples? That the two "dollars" have a different "number of apples I can buy" property?
Yes, in each case I've purchased a "dollars worth of apples," but it's very much meaningful to define how many apples that is, and track how that changes over time.
And if I cancelled the halfpenny because it wasn't worth having when it could only buy 1 apple, but right now it takes 12 pennies to buy 1 apple, then perhaps I should have gotten rid of the penny a long time ago. And the nickel. And probably the dime.
That's not how inflation works. "Worth" is a pretty variable term, "buying power" is typically a better description.
Think of it like this, using somewhat made up numbers. In the 50s you could get a cup of coffee for 10 cents from a diner. That same cup of coffee in 2025 costs like 2.50 dollars. Is the coffee "worth" more in 2025? No, it's the same 8oz cup of coffee but the money has less buying power
But you give a store a dollar back then and you got a dollar's worth of goods and now you still do.
You get a dollar's worth of goods, but the amount of goods you get is less, because a dollar is worth less.
Another thing the president is not supposed to be able to do unilaterally.
Now will they have pressed nickel machines
Trump is going to have a penny turn-in program to add them to his library, then personally sell off the copper to other nations after the American Dollar (and society) collapses.
/s. I hope.
And he would try even though pennies are just zinc coated in copper.
I thought they got rid of the penny like four years ago
Thought one: Did they bother to legislate how cash transactions will work without it?
Thought two: dollars should just become cents. Then we can go back to the days of “ten candies for a penny” that my grandma always talks about and maybe old people will see how unaffordable things really are
Thought one: Did they bother to legislate how cash transactions will work without it?
Congress did not. Apparently it causes issues in some states.
In some states and cities, it is illegal to round up a transaction to the nearest nickel or dime because doing so would run afoul of laws that are supposed to place cash customers and debit and credit card customers on an equal playing field when it comes to item costs. So, to avoid lawsuits, retailers are rounding down.
Per AP
It's also silly because a bill was introduced in April to answer this question, but it's just sitting around. You know how busy Congress is nowadays. (Also similar bills have come up in the past, but also just sat around and nothing became of them.)
If you'll pardon my insanity for a moment, there is something to be said for the Executive branch making a decision that the Legislative branch refused to make. The Legislative have ceded so much power to the Executive that they should be embarrassed. I wish this was front page news about political overreach. Instead it's just, "Yeah, everyone knows Congress can't do shit."
We're long overdue for an Amendment to bar one branch from ceding its power to another. Biggest catch to that is that it may reinforce the recent ruling on deference. Someone like Trump writing detailed regulations is about as scary as Congress doing it.
Personally I kinda wish that power that Congress refuses to wield shouldn't be pushable to the executive but instead decays back to the states. Basically cedeing power to the presidency should be effectively impossible, but power decaying back to the states should be the norm.
Honestly the entire districting system should be dropped in favor of statewide party list voting.
Gerrymandering has ensured that every district is like a dick shaped blob on every map and your local rep might live further from you than the nearest 3 other reps.
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