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[-] moosh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I think we’re gonna need a bigger scale.

[-] onparole@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Nah just shorten the when it's supposed to happen axle. We've known for years. Yet another great thing America gave us, petroleum based capitalism,

[-] fidelacchius@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah America is the only one with cars. Capitalism bad.

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[-] redballooon@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

There's too much red in this picture. They really should use another baseline. If red would start only at 40 Degree Celsius, the globe would look much more welcoming.

Look, I'm just trying to give productive feedback.

[-] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Except China is proud of their red.

[-] T0rrent01@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Something I'm noticing is that while America continues their pattern of climate denial and destructive hyper-individualism, China - for all its flaws - seems to be leading the charge on the single greatest existential challenge of our time.

China is rapidly expanding renewables and green tech. They're on track to become the world's renewable superpower. While Americans absentmindedly whine and complain about society improving, China gets right to work on constructing a green national infrastructure to actually address the root causes of the crisis.

China understands collective action and planning are the only way humanity can overcome existential threats. China's top-down governance, however authoritarian some claim, efficiently marshalled resources to minimize devastation during the COVID pandemic, but what's possibly more important is their collective culture, the populace's eager willingness to listen to the authorities, and make personal sacrifices for the benefit of society as a whole. None of that "freedumb" nonsense or pearl-clutching. Imagine if the US mandated decisive actions, not "choose your own experiment!"

This is serious; we cannot rest on our laurels and we cannot go back to brunch. We haven't the luxury of half measures. Rather, we need the appropriate sort of complete and holistic mobilization asap to transition to greener, more sustainable models. To survive impending eco-collapse will require global equity, not privileged nations hoarding pie while the rest burn. We'd be wise to learn from China's example. Obviously they're not perfect - no one is - but I think their climate policies reveal what truly ambitious climate action looks like: bold, large-scale interventions that prioritize the collective good over individual freedoms.

[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This was a great paper, I don't have a direct link though sorry.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0280-2

[-] bzah@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago

Here it is https://unisa.alma.exlibrisgroup.com/view/delivery/61USOUTHAUS_INST/12177058790001831 I haven't read it, just doing my part for open science. By the way, unpaywall is a great browser extension to quickly go around publishers paywalls: https://unpaywall.org/welcome

[-] windie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks for the tip!

[-] tallwookie@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

china has a rapidly aging populace, an unsustainable birthrate, and far too many peasants to support - they've got a very small window of time to prepare for the collapse of the country. when it happens, they'll retreat, eastwards, to where the larger cities are (which isnt in the western 4/5ths of the current borders). that region you've highlighted will be abandoned - it doesnt really matter if it's 22c or 52c. presumably the russians or the indians will pick it up, but probably wont settle in that area.

superpower though? lol no. regional power in southeast asia, at best. manufacturing is leaving china as we speak. in 10 years most of our "made in china" stickers will be "made in nigeria", or "made in argentina"

[-] wathek@discuss.online 1 points 1 year ago

Don't underestimate China's power to fuck things up for everyone to ensure it's survival. The CCP has shown it's willing and able to do anything they deem useful, regardless of the human cost. Uncontrolled powers in this day and age are absolutely terrifying.

[-] Chozo@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Have you ever had a friend or relative who was just in such poor health, who you basically expected to keel over and die any day now? If so, you probably know what I mean when you eventually just accept that the person you once knew is already dead, and all that's left is a husk that's just riding out the last bit of momentum they've got until they fade away. And then when they finally do die, it doesn't even hurt, because you've already had time to grieve and process your emotions in advance.

That's kinda how I feel about the earth these days. I feel like the earth is on hospice care, and at that point that we're just making it as comfortable as we can for it to die.

Maybe that's a little melodramatic. But it really does just feel hopeless these days.

[-] chemical_cutthroat@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

It's not Earth that's in trouble...

[-] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah I feel like this is just like when the body gets a fever to get rid of a sickness. The earth is just getting a little fever to get rid of our dumbasses real quick. Then it will go right back to normal and be completely fine.

[-] spicystraw@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

If it's any consolation. Earth, as in the spinning ball of dirt, will be just fine for many more millions of years. Humans, and other animal species, on the other hand are not going to be fine if the trend continuous.

Dunno, I find it kind of consoling in a meloncolic kind of way.

[-] Hank@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

It's not the first mass extinction and it will not be the last.

[-] fearout@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Reposting my comment from another similar thread ‘cause I think it’s kind of important to add.

Ok, so it doesn’t mention wet bulb temperature anywhere, so I went to figure it out. The first thing I was surprised with is apparently most of online calculators don’t take in values higher than 50C.

I couldn’t find the exact data about humidity for that day, but it has been 35-40%+ at a minimum for most days in that region, sometimes even reaching 90%.

So, 52C at around 40% humidity is 37.5C in wet bulb temp. The point of survivability is around 35, and most humans should be able to withstand 37.5 for several hours, but it’s much worse for sick or elderly. 39 is often a death sentence even for healthy humans after just two hours — your body can no longer lose heat and you bake from the inside. That’s like having an unstoppable runaway fever. And with that humidity it’s reached at 54C.

We’re dangerously close to that.

[-] eek2121@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

An absolute death sentence for folks without air conditioning or another means to stay cool.

[-] Crucible_Fodder@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that makes me think that data was just wrong. Every homeless in the area would be dead with those temps and humidities.

[-] cley_faye@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Homeless have been dying during summer and winter for years. It's just, as with too many things, the new normal and not newsworthy. If they started dying from critical weather I'm not sure we would even know.

[-] Catpuccino@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

The whole situation with climate change feels so hopeless.

[-] Xcf456@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 year ago

I think the worst part of it is that its not actually hopeless, at least not in theory. It's just that we, or more accurately the people with actual power, refuse to act because it would mean slightly less profit.

[-] guriinii@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I fully believe that if the world comes together, a united global effort, it is solvable, but we won't.

[-] Alperto@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Me too, specially when I was younger I thought we could change the world for good if united. I saw cristal clear that the rich wanted to be richer at the expense of the poorer, but as I grew older and saw the reality and stupidity of the world (Like Trump, a massively rich guy being massively voted by the poorest and less educated people) I lost hope. I came to realize that education and stoicism and the best tools the human race has to progress to a healthy society. So that’s what I try to share now when I can.

[-] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

Neoliberals won't (nor will the reactionaries they've carefully trained) and unfortunatly we've let them infest all major political parties and media outlets across most of the globe.

With these managed democracies, they're able to delay actual progress until the mining and oil execs are satisified with their obscene wealth (which is never going to happen).

Until these people are pried from their positions of power, everybody "coming together" is meaningless.

The solution is going to require immediate, strict, drastic regulations and billions of dollars of research and investment that will never turn into profits, with much of it financed through taxing the rich appropriately.

Neoliberals hate every one of those ideas and have positioned themselves so they can veto all of them.

Voting genuine progressives and ensuring they keep their promises is the only way out because the best we'll ever get out of this neoliberal psuedo-left is "Maybe we can find a way to save the world that's more profitable than just letting everyone die".

[-] icepuncher69@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nah, imo voting is kinda like giving your little brother an unpluged controler and pretending he is playing video games with you so that he doesnt riot. Of course we are the little brother. It changes nothing and the candidate that wins just makes everyone feel beter abbout themselves for believing they contributed when the candidate does or says something that they agree with or viseversa, the one that won and the people that didnt vote for him, when it does or say something it just makes them feel that this country is diyng cuz i dont agree with that guy, and then will blame the majority of the voters for voting on the guy while the fault is on the sistem itself.

I say burn everything to the ground, their corrupt institutions, goverment and private/bussines, mainly banks amd administrative burecratical government institutions, make sure rich people (mainly oligarchs and corrupt politicians) cannot get influence nor voice on any kind of venture or decicion on the big picture or the world order or whatever you wannna call it and when we get the chance, replace leadership with A.I. Because at the scale the world is headed right now it will probably be the only way to purge corruption from the actions of human kind and keep everything as morally correct as posible, and im talking morally as in everyone lives as pleasantly as humanlly posible and no mass murders and rehabilitating instead of punishing and susteinability, not that dumb culture wars b.s. that americans are so obssesed with.

[-] redballooon@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

My 13yo refuses to discuss the topic. He says he's already been traumatized by it.

[-] md5crypto@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

What a ❄️ ❄️

[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

People saying:

"Voting doesn't matter. They're all the same." "Things can't be solved because the global elite won't allow it" "I don't have to do anything because it won't matter" "This is all big industry's problem, why should I do anything"

have been manipulated/influenced/radicalized by a combination of paid media shills, RW billionaires and Saudi/Kremlin/Iranian propaganda.

Snap out of it and let's all pitch in to save our children and world.

[-] wishthane@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Voting is still good, but it's the bare minimum. Not everyone has the time, but if you do, you should try to advocate publicly, and preferably in a group. Just like with unions, collective action is more effective. If I give feedback to my city individually, I'm a data point. But as part of an advocacy group, they reach out to us.

[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Absolutely! That's what I mean. We have to do it ALL. Even the tiniest things have value. 👍

[-] MrsDoyle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I have a friend with two daughters in their late teens, early 20s. I asked him the other day how they felt about climate change. He said they believed it was happening, but they don't think it's nearly as bad as "the media makes out". He added, "You know, we went through the Cold War and fear of nuclear annihilation and that didn't happen, so..." We were interrupted then so I didn't get to yell at him. But I think a lot of people think that way. Pffft, probably won't happen, news orgs exaggerating for clicks, someone will fix it etc etc. While shrugging at all the floods and fires and storms happening around the globe, and booking a cheap flight to Malaga. It's exasperating!

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

-asks friend about opinion on topic

-friend gives somewhat reasonable if wrong opinion

-gets mad he didn't have the chance to "yell at him"

Sounds like a shit friend move.

[-] veng@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

It's strange - in the UK we're usually getting toasty this time of year too, but we've had unusually mild weather despite many other parts of the world experiencing record temperatures. Feels like the mildest summer we've had in about 10 years.

[-] megasin1@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

This might be because we're in an ill niño weather event. This brings hot coast to the southern hemisphere particularly South America. And it means the North is cooler particularly north Europe and Canada. This will flip back and forth over the years

[-] agissilver@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

ill niño

Must be summer 1999 🤘

[-] md5crypto@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

The image makes it look like Earth has turned into Venus.

[-] beta_particle@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

We're trying our damnedest!

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