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[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 97 points 1 year ago
[-] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

ITS NOT EVEN OK TO BE WHITE MAN ANYMORE frothingfash

[-] GottiGoFast@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

grillman

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The only thing he'll be grilling are tears.

[-] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

A 57 year old white man eating that much red meat surely won't be eating that much for long ☠

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[-] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 68 points 1 year ago

That is wild. I've cut back on meat consumption to only once or twice a week and advocate to people who want to try vegetarian/veganism but struggle with it to just approach it gradually rather than all or nothing. I make the argument that if we all reduced our consumption by 50-80% that would go a lot further than only a few people reducing their consumption 100%.

Now I'm not so sure. Maybe we just need to put these 12% freaks in a gulag and feed them nothing but beans for a few years.

[-] dat_math@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Maybe we just need to put these 12% freaks in a gulag and feed them nothing but beans for a few years.

bean

[-] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

Movie Idea: “Shawshank Redemption” meets the Campfire scene from “Blazing Saddles.”

Working Title: The Gulag Fart-I-smell-ago.

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[-] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 66 points 1 year ago

i had not thought about it, but this does not surprise me. the ideology of the US is to make the wealthiest asshole in a room of 10 people feel completely free to ruin everyone else's experience/lives.

i remember when i was much younger and first recognizing the environmental destruction of overconsumption and the shittiness of rich people stunting on poor people, and not for anything so noble as "feeding kids". rather, "i'm gonna buy a hummer and drive across country" or "i'm buying a fashion accessory for $2500." i would impulsively say, "that's stupid. you're an asshole" to those people.

and, right on cue, other americans would swarm me and say, from the script, "it's their money. they have every right to spend it how they want." for 9 out of 10 of us in the US, that thinking is still dumb, but probably not undermining community or the biosphere. but there's the 1 asshole that sees their personal power in the moment as an invitation to wreck the place. to piss all over the sink in a restaurant. to break the public phone or steal the phonebook. to take all the candy in the bowl. to not wash their hands after a shit.

there's one person in a room of 10 that needs a constant reminder that their actions have consequences and if they are an asshole, the other 9 are within their power to smack some sense into them.

[-] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago

Hot take: I think the liberal abhorence of physical violence in schools in self defense of bullies. I don't think there's a good way around it or we should just let it get back to the "good ol' days", but kids who defend themselves often get the book thrown at them. I worked in schools years ago, and most of the time admin would suspend the kid who defended themselves with a wink and a nod to the kid to let them know they actually did the right thing by punching the bully in the nose. I saw a white rich girl get a black eye from the black girl she was being overtly racist to (even calling her the n word), and staff all felt it was justified. But there's a small contingent of administrative staff on school boards that will expedite expelling kids for these situations, which I also saw happen.

Idk, I just feel like if you're hurting people, people can and will kick your ass, and that's actually a valuable lesson.

[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

other americans would swarm me and say, from the script, "it's their money. they have every right to spend it how they want."

It’s almost painful to me how accurately this describes most Americans.

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[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

Finally, our very own "Despite making up only 12% of the population..." Stat.

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Can't say I'm really surprised. I call America the Burger Reich for a reason.

CW: Nazi shit

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[-] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 48 points 1 year ago

Haven't eaten meat in what 30 years or something. Don't miss it. Don't even notice it. I think it's a problem of big picture information. If people could understand the destruction associated with the entire industry maybe things would change..

[-] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

based and vegan pilled

kill me

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

imo most people wouldn't even notice if you switched the meat in their daily slop with plant material. It's just an attitude thing towards meat.

[-] roux@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago

I'm slowly navigating life after becoming vegan and this hasn't been true all the time for me but when it is, it fucking hits hard.

My chili recipe was converted to vegan early on after I came over and you can't fucking tell it's vegan. I've said before on reddit but I will put it up against anyone's "prize winning chili recipe".

I made sloppy joe's last week with TVP and day one was ok but when it came time for the leftovers, you woundn't have know it was vegan. To me, it was exactly like the slop I grew up with.

I'm still trying to master tofu. I can't get it at all like my favorite Thai place does it.

I've been working a bit with the soy curls and "beef slices" you can find from Asian stores and it's been hit and miss with trying to get it right but a few weeks ago I made a mushroom, spinach linguine using the slices and it fucking slapped. I hydrated the slices with veggie broth and some spices and then sauteed them in a pan with my shrooms and spinach and tossed the pasta in at the end and sort of winged it but it was really fucking good.

Another thing that I think needs to be mentioned is that most meat subs are like half the cost of the animal counterpart. Beyond and manufactured seitan obviously isn't but any of the soy products I've tried are. You also get the same or more protein with the substitutes.

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[-] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

With a lot of people, there's a strong doubling down response when they get shown the climate impact and the animal abuse and the grueling working conditions of the meat industry. Everybody knows killing animals is wrong, most people find cruelty towards animals absolutely abhorrent, but carnists are extremely effective at coping with the cognitive dissonance. idk what to do about this myself tbh, i'm just saying that lack of information may not be the main problem here.

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[-] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

This is actually a statistical error. Beef Georg, who lives in a cave in Colorado and eats 60,000 cows a day, is an outlier and should not be counted

[-] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago

the rough equivalent of more than one hamburger – daily.

WHAT HAVE WE BEEN FUCKING CALLING THESE PEOPLE SINCE BEFORE THIS STUDY BEGAN?!!!

BURGER AMERICANS 🍔 🍔 🍔 amerikkka amerikkka amerikkka

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[-] kristina@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago

bro their stomachs must be fucked

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[-] Llituro@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

Goddamn, at this point I'm starting to wonder what problems even fucking are normally distributed in some sense. It's the same as guns and car pollution, fuck. Beef is expensive as hell these days anyway.

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[-] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago

American diets are obscene, but in terms of carrying capacity and ecology, a mildly omnivore diet still feeds more people than a vegan diet, due to the presence of land that is unsuitable for cultivation, in-between periods of dry/cold weather where crops struggle to grow, etc

Also consider the pests that cropland attracts, which under a holistic pre-colonial agriculture mode (which produces more calories per acre at the expense of more human labor required), would have often been dealt with through killing (and eating)

https://i.postimg.cc/Hs3NchBJ/y54eh6t6f.png

https://online.ucpress.edu/elementa/article/doi/10.12952/journal.elementa.000116/112904/Carrying-capacity-of-U-S-agricultural-land-Ten

Basically, a sustainable omnivore diet would have less meat, a lot less beef, and more varied sources of meat (possum, raccoon, etc)

[-] Owl@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

Medieval animal use patterns are way greener than what we have now. Pigs acted as garbage disposals, then by day a professional swineherd would take everyone's pigs out to the forest. Cows and sheep ate grass off useless rocky land, and were walked to where they'd be slaughtered.

But I don't really think this is a deep argument for how things should be today. How can you restructure cities so pigs can commute between homes and the forest? How can cows walk all the way to pasture and back to the city for slaughter? I don't think it's actually possible; the density of modern cities breaks these models. But that same density is ecologically required a thousand other ways.

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[-] pillow@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

if that's even true it could only be relevant in a world where there's not enough agricultural land to support growing plants fit for human consumption, which is not the world we live in

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[-] flan@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago
[-] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago

I'm just assuming it's the "You don't eat meat? I'm going to eat three hamburgers to make up for it." people.

[-] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

Those people are loud and annoying but I doubt they make up an eighth of the United States

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[-] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

the beef people walk among us

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[-] intoner@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago

Beef isn't even that good, to be honest. I've also heard that beef is one of the most energy-demanding meats to produce.

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[-] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

to expand, meat eating on a regular basis is an extremely recent thing
it is in no way "the natural order of things"
only rich people would eat meat more than ~ once per month at best

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i mean, people would eat eggs and milk all the time. same with fish. idk what culture youre referring to here, even inland places in europe had people fishing all the time. like 10 hens can produce so many eggs you dont know what to do with them. and a decently large flock of sheep has enough of them dropping dead naturally that you can eat sheep for a whole month (people really underestimate how much meat is on a whole ass sheep or cow, that can last one family a loooong time).

in fact populations in europe that didnt eat fish regularly would thin out and die off because vitamin d was in a very short supply during the little ice age and the actual ice age (around the time light skin developed 20-50k years ago, this was a very strong selection pressure). without proper levels of vitamin d you end up being unable to carry babies.

[-] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It seems like people think "oh, they only ate roughly one American meal's worth of meat a week/month? Must have been all at once as a treat then," instead of the more likely case of an ounce or two a day going into a family's boiled grain slop or stew to flesh it out and make it more palatable, tallow finding its way into various things, marrow ending up in stocks, etc. It's the quantity and role of meat in American diets that's just a "within the last century" sort of development, not its presence at all.

Like people weren't going and getting a double cheeseburger with a week's wages once a month, they were getting (or rationing) a half pound of salted pork or beef or sausage once a week/month and using it as an ingredient in other dishes.

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

perpetual stews were really common back in the day for sure

also like i said, its pretty trivial even now to go fishing for food despite the massive reduction in marine life. especially in northern europe, it was very common to eat fish all the time. we also know the inuits had an almost purely seal, whale, berries, and fish diet. plains tribes also had pretty high meat diets.

idk, i just think its revisionist to act like high meat intake is a new thing. plenty of historical conditions made high meat intake the only way to do things. obviously eating such high amounts of beef cant be good for you, but its not like people lived particularly long in the eras we're talking about (though if you lived past 40 odds are youd live to semi-normal life expectancy these days), so that wouldnt catch up with them.

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[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

I just want shrimp

Get rid of all the rest for all I care and give me sustainably farmed shrimp I'll pay whatever

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[-] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago
[-] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

Wtf who are these people how do you even eat that much beef, snack on jerky, eat steak for breakfast?

[-] NewAcctWhoDis@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

I assume this is the bottom 12% of income, who can't afford not to eat meat.

[-] Venus@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

When you're definitely in touch with the global poor and not just an asshole trying to dunk on vegans mindlessly

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[-] muddi@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

The stat that horrifies me is how a person can consume multiple lives in one sitting. Like every two chicken wings equals one life slaughtered, and people get orders of 8 pieces at once, maybe multiple times a day or for multiple people.

I guess cows, pigs, horses, whatever are bigger animals and feed more people, but it's still messed up to me to know that one small meat snack requires the slaughter of an entire animal. It's not like we can amputate their legs and only eat that part.

I think I'd still feel the same knowing the cost of lives of other products. Like how many lives had to be lost to mine the cobalt in each of my electronic devices

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[-] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

It's the keto dads.

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