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Why do you hate AI? (lemmy.world)
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[-] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

I don't hate AI, LLMs are incredibly powerful tools that have an incredibly wide range of uses. The technology itself is something that's very exciting and promising.

What I do hate is how they're being used by large corporations. A small handful of big tech companies (Google, Microsoft, Facebook, OpenAI, etc) decided to take this technology and pursue it in the greediest ways possible:

  1. They took open source code, built on top of it, and closed it off so they could sell it
  2. They scrapped all the data on the internet without consent and used it to train their models
  3. They made their models generate stuff based on copyrighted works without permission or giving credit. thus basically stealing the content
  4. But that wasn't enough for them so they decided to train their models on every interaction you have with their LLM services, so all your private conversations are stored and recycled even if they're private
  5. They use the data from the conversations that you've had with the chatbots to build customer profiles about you that they sell to advertisers so they could send you hoards of personalized ads
  6. They started integrating their LLMs into their other products as much as they could so they could artificially increase their stock prices
  7. They aggressively campaign for other companies to buy and integrate their models so both parties could artificially increase their stock prices
  8. In order to meet their artificially induced demand, they sucking the life out of the electricity grid, which is screwing over everybody else
  9. They're also taking over the hardware industry and killing off consumer electronics since its more profitable for manufacturers to sell AI companies than to consumers
  10. They're openly bribing, lobbying, and campaigning governments to give them grants, tax breaks, and keep regulations at a minimum so they could do whatever they want and have society pay for the privilege
  11. They're using these LLMs to cut as many jobs as possible so they could penny pinch just a little more, hence the massive waves of recent layoffs recently. This is being done even if the LLM replacement is far worse in performance than humans.
  12. All of this is being done with zero regard to the environmental damage caused by them with their monstrous data centers and electricity consumption
  13. All of this is being done with zero regard to the harmful impacts caused to people and society. These LLMs frequently lie and spread misinformation, they feed into delusions and bad habits of mentally unwell people, and they're causing great damage to schools since students could use these models to easily cheat and nothing can be done about it

When put all of this together, then it's easy to understand why people hate AI. This is what people oppose, and rightfully so. These corporations created a massive bubble and put our economy at risk of a major recession, they're destabilizing our infrastructure, destroying our environment, they're corrupting our government, they're forcing tens of thousands of people into dire financial situations by laying them off, they're eroding our privacy and rights, and they're harming our mental health... and for what? I'll tell you, all of this is done so a few greedy billionaires could squeeze a few more dollars so they could buy their 5th yacht, 9th private jet, or 7th McMansion. Fuck them all.

[-] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

When people say "I fucking hate AI", 99% of the time they mean "I fucking hate AI™©®". They don't mean the technology behind it.

To add to your good points, I'm a CS grad that studied neural networks and machine learning years back, and every time I read some idiot claiming something like "this scientific breakthrough has got scientists wondering if we're on the cusp of creating a new species of superintelligence" or "90% of jobs will be obsolete in five years" it annoys me because its not real, and it's always someone selling something. Today's AI is the same tech they've been working on for 30+ years and incrementally building upon, but as Moore's Law has marched on we now have storage pools and computing power to run very advanced models and networks. There is no magic breakthrough, just hype.

The recent advancements are all driven by the $1500 billion spent on grabbing as many resources they could - all because some idiots convinced them it's the next gold rush. What has that $1500 bil got us? Machines that can answer general questions correctly around 40% of the time, plagiarize art for memes, create shallow corporate content that nobody wants, and write some half-decent code cobbled together from StackOverflow and public GitHub repos.

What a fucking waste of resources.

What's real is the social impacts, the educational impacts, the environmental impacts, the effect on artists and others who have had their work stolen for training, the useability of the Internet (search is fucked now), and what will be very real soon is the global recession/depression it causes as businesses realize more and more that it's not worth the cost to implement or maintain (in all but very few scenarios).

[-] devedeset@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I'm really split with it. I'm not a 10x "rockstar" programmer, but I'm a good programmer. I've always worked at small companies with small teams. I can figure out how to parse requirements, choose libraries/architecture/patterns, and develop apps that work.

Using Copilot has sped my work up by a huge amount. I do have 10 YoE before Copilot existed. I can use it to help write good code much faster. It may not be perfect, but it wouldn't have been perfect without it. The thing is I have enough experience to know when it is leading me down the wrong path, and that still happens pretty often. What it helps with is implementing common patterns, especially with common libraries. It basically automates the "google the library docs/stackoverflow and use code there as a starting point" aspect of programming. (edit: it also helps a lot with logging, writing tests, and rewriting existing code as long as it isn't too whacky, and even then you really need to understand the existing code to avoid a mess of bugs)

But yeah search is completely fucked now. I don't know for sure but I would guess stackoverflow use is way down. It does feel like many people are being pigeonholed into using the LLM tools because they are the only things that sort of work. There's also the vibe coding phenomenon where people without experience will just YOLO out pure tech debt, especially with the latest and greatest languages/libraries/etc where the LLMs don't work very well because there isn't enough data.

[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

No one has convinced me how it is good for the general public. It seems like it will benefit corpos and governments, to the detriment of the general public.

It's just another thing they'll use to fuck over the average person.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 weeks ago

It COULD help the average person, but we'll always fuck it up before it gets to that point.

You could build an app that teaches. Pick the curriculum, pick the tests, pick the training material for the users, and use the LLM to intermediate between your courseware and the end users.

LLM's are generally very good at explaining specific questions they have a lot of training on, and they're pretty good at dumbing it down when necessary.

Imagine an open-source, free college course where everyone gets as much time as they need and aren't embarrased to ask whatever questions come to their minds in the middle of the lesson. Imagine more advanced students in a class not being held back because some slower students didn't understand a reading assignment. It wouldn't be hard to out teach an average community college class.

But free college that doesn't need a shit ton of tax money? Who profits off that? we can't possibly make that.

How about a code tool that doesn't try to write your code for you, but watches over what you're doing and points out possible problems, what if you strapped it on a compiler and got warnings that you have dangerous vectors left open or note where buffer overflows aren't checked?

Reading medical images is a pretty decisive win. The machine going back behind the doctor and pointing out what it sees based on the history of thousands of patient images is not bad. Worst case the doctors get a little less good at doing it unassisted, but the machines don't get tired and usually don't have bad days.

The problem is capitalism. You can't have anything good for free because it's worth money. And we've put ALL the money into the tech and investors will DEMAND returns.

Imagine an open-source, free college course where everyone gets as much time as they need and aren't embarrased to ask whatever questions come to their minds in the middle of the lesson.

My impression of the average student today is that they lack so much curiosity, in part because of youtube short–induced ADHD, in part because chatgpt just answers all of their homework questions for them, no effort at all, that a course like this would be functionally useless.

This is not an issue of capitalism, detestable as it is: young people are using AI to offload the mental burden of learning. Removing money incentives doesn't fix this.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago

It's been a problem for a long time before AI.

[-] SomeRandomNoob@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 weeks ago

Ai

  • costs jobs
  • consumes enormous amounts of energy which makes it bad for the environment and the utility costs
  • makes the rich richer
  • has still the hallucination problem
  • makes generating fake news easier than ever
  • uses copyrighted material for training without permission
  • is used to fill the internet with AI slop
  • is trained by big companies with their own political agenda
  • fucks up the RAM/SSD market
  • makes people dumber
  • isn’t even AI
[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Why are we asking loaded questions as a first post in a new account?

[-] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 0 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's a fair question to ask, given the situation with new accounts.

Does this not look suspicious to you?

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 5 points 3 weeks ago

It's a masterclass in externalities: local communities face the consequences of the resource consumption by the data centers.

Job loss: were all told the "knowledge market" is where you deserve a good salary. AI threatens a lot of that work. Blue collar factory work will go as soon as AI can be properly integrated with nimble robotics that aren't quite there yet. With how disgusting our society is (in the US) there will be no consideration for the people who can no longer find work.

Wealth built on theft and gambling: people like Altman become fabulously wealthy with a system that makes 0 profit and has been built off of the stolen works of millions of people.

Capacity to manipulate: we've had enough trouble with bad faith actors on the Internet with real people. Now we're going to have an endless army of "intelligent" actors that will be weaponized against populations worldwide to secure the position of the ultra wealthy over all of our governments.

I didn't before much, but now I REALLY don't have a positive outlook on our future because of this...

[-] lena@gregtech.eu 1 points 3 weeks ago

I think the job loss part is a capitalism problem, not just an AI problem.

If we automate work, the people should get the benefits of the automation, they shouldn't have to be worried that they won't have a job.

[-] Underwaterbob@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

AI is trained on the Internet. Look at the bullshit on the Internet. AI will take some random schmoe's bullshit opinion and present it as hard fact.

That, and it just re-introduced the problem of being able to see search results without visiting any of the resultant websites. The last time, sites ended up burying answers down the page to avoid being able to see results in search previews. Making everything shittier. What kind of response is there going to be to AI summaries? Everything will undoubtedly get even shittier as sites try to get people to visit and not just read the AI summary. Hello even more obfuscation. We're taking the greatest method of spreading information around the globe ever devised and just absolutely filling it to the brim with bullshit.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 3 weeks ago

oh yea it does, i see google summarizing, its just a mash up of different BLOG posts as truths, that isnt a source. its basically asking opinions of the LLM.

[-] oakward@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

This is only the beginning. Soon there will be LLMs trained on other LLMs garbage. And those LLMs will also post and write crap on the Internet. The true pinnacle of shite posting

[-] xd0v3rdoz3@lemmy.wtf 3 points 3 weeks ago

Have you seen the RAM prices lately? 🫩

[-] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

.. And NVMe SSDs, and large HDDs.

I bought a Crucial P310 MVMe 2TB card barely three weeks ago for the already-inflated price of $132.58 (not on sale).

The exact same card from the exact same retailer is now $225.13.

70% increase in 21 days.

That's the average amount of inflation we'd have in eighteen years.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

Kibler was great.

[-] spittingimage@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I don't hate it, but my personal experience has been that it's not reliable enough to depend on. I don't like that it's being pushed on us so hard when it will routinely let us down.

[-] Klear@quokk.au 2 points 3 weeks ago

Is that Brian "Please don't call me Brian "Brian Kibler" Kibler" Kibler?

[-] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Needs text alternative or link to source.


Mostly for all the AI haters who can't stop bringing up their hatred of AI. Insufferable.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

I don't hate LLMs I hate how they are being used and what they are being used for. I am not a luddite (even if I jokingly claim to be) and do see value in LLMs for some uses. Just not the ones they are primarily being used for in America

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

I hate his flannel shirts and the way he'd always show the show's mailing address whenever Tim said something stupid.

[-] Smoogs@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Huh… so it’s getting its advice scrape from Reddit. Now it makes sense where it’s getting the idea of telling teens to die by suicide. That place is a shithole where intelligence goes to die.

[-] Greenbeard@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago

I don't hate AI, I hate it being forced everyone's throat and I don't trust the companies running it to keep the data they collect safe and private

[-] flamiera@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 3 weeks ago

I don't entirely hate AI.

I like AI for when I want to personally use it for art ideas because I'm not an artist and honestly, paying someone to draw for you can be expensive as it is a luxury. I just don't run anything like a DA account to show it off.

I don't like AI when it has been used to lazily write scripts for movies/shows, to draft essays and be used as a shortcut for someone's work.

I like AI when it can be used as a companion tool.

I don't like AI when it tries being a therapist for serious mental issues.

I don't like AI when it is used as a poor excuse of troubleshooting.

I don't like AI for the damage it is causing to the market of PC memory.

I don't like AI being shoved down my throat and for the companies you least expect it to use it, suddenly start using it.

So with a score of 2-5, if AI was just erased right now, I wouldn't really miss it. But I don't entirely hate it. It is a completely misused and abused kind of tool that's shoved into everyone's lives and marketed as a catch-all solution to nearly all problems, when there is a mountain of evidence and recorded studies saying otherwise.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago
[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Where? Since when is self-depreciating humor a bad thing?

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago

Self deprecating humor is great. Racial stereotypes are not. Saying “all Asians are good at math” is also harmful, for example.

[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago

Are you feeling offended by the meme? Because I am not, and I appreciate the joke.

[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago

Reverse-racism is not a thing.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago

Why not? Stereotypes are always harmful. How do you think an Asian kid feels when they suck at math but are told that’s not how they should be? How do you think a black kid fees when they don’t have a big dick but are told they should?

[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 weeks ago

Stereotypes are not racism.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

Well, that’s certainly a sentence.

[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 weeks ago

"Overweight people are unhealthy". Is that racist?

[-] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Nobody said reverse racism

[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago

What do you think racism is?

[-] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

You're weird, I stated a fact about what was said. If you're so desperate for interaction, take it up with the person who said it.

[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 weeks ago

Your statement was predicated on something you misunderstood. Hence the question: What do you think racism is?

[-] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 0 points 3 weeks ago

what the fuck is this stereotype

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 weeks ago

It's probably from a redditor who probably is white and male. Y'know, self-deprecating humor is pretty common among redditors just like it is here.

[-] Electricd@lemmybefree.net -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

just feels wrong

like it's making stereotypes feel normal and creating xenophobia or something

when done humorously, it's fine, but here it just seems serious

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 weeks ago

I don't hate it, I hate how companies are forcing it in regardless of how stupid it is for the task.

[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago

As always, you don't hate X, you hate capitalism. Replace X with almost anything.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

HURR DURR HEY GUYS LETS DO SOMETBING VAGUE ABIUT CAPLISM

[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

Reading comprehension is hard, I know.

[-] chunes@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago

I don't. All the anti-intellectual technophobia we're seeing right now will be a small footnote in history.

[-] IonTempted@lemmynsfw.com -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Depends on what you classify as AI anymore

I work with Video Editing software and you could argue that a lot of features on softwares like Davinci, Capcut, Premiere all use different helpful tools that could or could not be AI, Artificial Intelligence existed long before companies slapped the term into every product. Nowadays even TVs have "AI" processors which is just a fancy way of saying just a CPU.

I do believe it still should be an Open source tool that we can use for good, for example helping fighting against cancer but knowing we live in such a planet it will be used for worse rather than good and it depends on who trains it and for what purpose because we train AI.

I do care about Art like Movies, Books and the Movie industry so far seems to be the only one who fights against AI being used as lazy work, there are possibly Video Games that use AI text to speech for NPCs or something but there are a lot of directors who speak passionatelly against it which is good to see.

At the end of the day it's a tool and it will depend on how we use it. We can use it to do good things, but also drive more people out of jobs and helping with endless wars, I have a feeling the latter will be true but we'll see.

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