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The slide's authenticity was confirmed by a Navy spokesperson, who cautioned that it was not meant to be an in-depth analysis.

The slide shows that Chinese shipyards have a capacity of about 23.2 million tons compared to less than 100,000 tons in the U.S., making Chinese shipbuilding capacity more than 232 times greater than that of the U.S.

The slide also shows the "battle force composition" of the countries' two navies side-by-side, which includes "combatant ships, submarines, mine warfare ships, major amphibious ships, and large combat support auxiliary ships." The ONI estimated that China had 355 such naval vessels in 2020 while the U.S. had 296. The disparity is expected to continue to grow every five years until 2035, when China will have an estimated 475 naval ships compared to 305-317 U.S. ships.

Another section of the slide provides an estimate on the percentage each country allocates to naval production in its shipyards, with China garnering roughly 70% of its shipbuilding revenue from naval production, compared to about 95% of American shipbuilding revenue.

Because of China's centrally planned economy, the country is able to control labor costs and provide subsidies to its shipbuilding infrastructure, allowing the Chinese to outbid most competitors around the world and dominate the commercial shipping industry, Sadler said.

Alternative title - "Central planning is more efficient than markets" confirms US Navy

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[-] aFairlyLargeCat@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago

Real “sit the fuck down” moment

mao-aggro-shining

[-] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago

200 * 0 = 0 though

Death to America

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[-] WittyProfileName2@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago

How much of this is actually because China is better at building ships compared to the MIC looking to make more bag from a congress already terrified of China?

[-] Blinky_katt@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 2 years ago

China is actually better at building and at building MORE due to having greater number of shipyards, skilled workers specific to the purpose, and general manufacturing capability. The MIC looking to make more bag = the 200x part, which is indeed an exaggeration. But 20x? 30x? Not unrealistic.

[-] wombat@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago

china is reaching levels of basedness long thought impossible

[-] StalinForTime@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago

The day when it becomes unavoidably obvious to Americans that China is doing better than them will be hilarious.

[-] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 2 years ago

if USians weren't so good at burying their heads in the sand it would've already happened

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[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I read a while back that the PLAN was using AI specifically to quickly generate many iterations of more efficient and compact electrical grid layouts for their ships, and I think that's a really neat and levelheaded way to use AI. No marketing bullshit, no insane and dangerous cost-cutting measures, just "generate a path between these points while staying at least x centimeters away from y and z subsystems at all times, give me 50 variants."

[-] BigHaas@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago

That's just called metaheuristics and they've been a thing since the 70s. Super super interesting, but calling it an AI is a stretch.

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[-] ScrewdriverFactoryFactoryProvider@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

One of the lead designers on Spore described this design process as [paraphrasing] automating the thought processes of subject matter experts. In the case of Spore, that subject matter was creature design, but every single model had to be fine tuned to exclude large swaths of the design space which the model made possible, but were undesirable in some way. Automation of expertise followed by expert review is the way to go. It makes expertise more efficient and also tends to lower the bar to access to that expertise.

Edit: also, this has been a standard technique for decades and “AI” is often used as a marketing term to rebundle old tech that’s gotten faster.

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[-] CommCat@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago

Better give the MIC another 100 billion!

[-] Beaver@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago

The Jones Act really paid off, amirite?

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